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post #2731 of 3000
How have you guys cleaned the nozzles? There's a wee bit of ear wax on the inner rim of both nozzles. I've already altered that foam filter stuff ever so slightly in trying to clean the left 'phone. Now I'm paranoid that I've detrimentally changed the sound, though it probably didn't in any perceptible manner and changing tips probably affects the sound more. But I'm a bit OCD about it lol.
post #2732 of 3000

Hi there,

 

I received my EX1000s today and I'm blown away by the sound, as nice as my Klipsch Custom 3 in the mids with better highs and bass. Far better Mids than UE3 and other multidriver IEs.

 

Just wonder why Sony discontinued them?! They are real beauties for audiophiles.

post #2733 of 3000
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Originally Posted by Airwin View Post

Hi there,

I received my EX1000s today and I'm blown away by the sound, as nice as my Klipsch Custom 3 in the mids with better highs and bass. Far better Mids than UE3 and other multidriver IEs.

Just wonder why Sony discontinued them?! They are real beauties for audiophiles.

Rumour is they were discontinued in the west to make way for BA series.

If you read the start of this review ClieOS speaks about it.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/630732/review-sony-mdr-ex600

Congrats on your purchase, I've been thinking myself to try EX1000.
post #2734 of 3000

does anyone try ex1000 with metal songs? when I use ex1000 for listening to some metal song, I suffer with a lot of harshness in treble. somewhere near 5200 hz

post #2735 of 3000
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Originally Posted by heart banger-97 View Post

does anyone try ex1000 with metal songs? when I use ex1000 for listening to some metal song, I suffer with a lot of harshness in treble. somewhere near 5200 hz


This I think is a fairly well documented aspect of this IEM. The EX1000 has a sharp peak around 5.5khz, give or take few hundred cycles, if you look at some measurements, such as this one, or this one here, or even that one there. (Please note the difference in measurement technique.)

post #2736 of 3000

Yup main flaw, natural to it's design (angled driver), can easily be EQed though if one doesn't find that inconvenient. 

post #2737 of 3000

A pity, if only they don't have that peak, they are a good and natural upgrade path from the GR07. XBA-4 is much less special, its BA drivers don't really break new ground soundwise, unlike what the EX1000 does for dynamic driver IEM technology..

post #2738 of 3000

In my opinion, the 'peaking' highs comes and goes with different eartips. Isolating tips works much better for me than the silicon only tips.

BTW: I got no harsh audible peak around 5k, just tested with a wavegen. Some slight peaking in regions that are not this importand in real life listening.

 

BTW: The EX1000 need a proper amplifier.

 

I'm still impressed by the huge 3D sound stage, spectacular homogeneity and transparece. Don't know many earphones on this level (even big cans!).

Will try the XBA4 tomorrow. But I guess this thing won't be better than other 'modern' 4 way constructions. (To many phase troubles at the 'crossover' points)

 

I remember times in loudspeaker building in the 80s: More speakers / ways are better ... this was a BIG mistake. But it needed years to convince people that physically best soundsystems based on 2 or 3 way constructions.

 

 

Quote:
does anyone try ex1000 with metal songs?

 

 

I like the way Creed sounds with the Sony, but for more metallish productions, there may be better choices than EX1000.  


Edited by Airwin - 10/14/12 at 3:24am
post #2739 of 3000

That does remind me, what would cause there to be an impedance peak on the EX1k? Is that just a property unique to the cellulose driver, as I don't recall seeing that spike on other dynamics. Feel free to enlighten me if you may.

post #2740 of 3000
The EX1000 just doesn't sound very good with most metal IMO. More laid back, atmospheric stuff like Katatonia it sounds fine with, but something more aggressive like Lamb of God not so much.
post #2741 of 3000
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Originally Posted by glac1er View Post

A pity, if only they don't have that peak, they are a good and natural upgrade path from the GR07. XBA-4 is much less special, its BA drivers don't really break new ground soundwise, unlike what the EX1000 does for dynamic driver IEM technology..


If you feel that way go for the MDR-7550s. I did and couldn't be happier. Treble detail is still there without going over the top. It's right next to the EX1000 in technical abilities just lacking slightly in air, bass texture and the sound stage is a little smaller. These are not huge differences mind you but the treble was a major difference for me. Night and day difference. Also the MDR-7550s mids are better IMO, more intimate and wet. The EX1000s mids are a bit too dry for my taste. I also find the MDR-7550s to excel in rock, it's not harsh and you have more headroom to play with the volume without fatigue as opposed to the EX1000s. The 7550 pushes the treble to the limit and comes down before going overboard. It's very nice. They are actually decent all-arounders. I'll use the Triad L3 bass boost just a bit and it's perfect :).


Edited by lee730 - 10/14/12 at 4:03pm
post #2742 of 3000
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Originally Posted by Selenium View Post

The EX1000 just doesn't sound very good with most metal IMO. More laid back, atmospheric stuff like Katatonia it sounds fine with, but something more aggressive like Lamb of God not so much.

Hard to tell, guessing it's the driver resonance of a 16 mm 'tweeter' with extremly strong neodym magnet and low Qts. For casing the 6 cm wavelenght doesn't fit in theory.

On the other hand, it's not a big resonance peak, but can cause up to +3 db at 5.5 kHz  in frequenfy with 'unlucky' amping.

Zune Player works well, x1060 Sony also.

post #2743 of 3000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Airwin View Post

In my opinion, the 'peaking' highs comes and goes with different eartips. Isolating tips works much better for me than the silicon only tips.

BTW: I got no harsh audible peak around 5k, just tested with a wavegen. Some slight peaking in regions that are not this importand in real life listening.

 

BTW: The EX1000 need a proper amplifier.

 

I'm still impressed by the huge 3D sound stage, spectacular homogeneity and transparece. Don't know many earphones on this level (even big cans!).

Will try the XBA4 tomorrow. But I guess this thing won't be better than other 'modern' 4 way constructions. (To many phase troubles at the 'crossover' points)

 

I remember times in loudspeaker building in the 80s: More speakers / ways are better ... this was a BIG mistake. But it needed years to convince people that physically best soundsystems based on 2 or 3 way constructions.

 

 

 

 

I like the way Creed sounds with the Sony, but for more metallish productions, there may be better choices than EX1000.  

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Selenium View Post

The EX1000 just doesn't sound very good with most metal IMO. More laid back, atmospheric stuff like Katatonia it sounds fine with, but something more aggressive like Lamb of God not so much.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Airwin View Post

Hard to tell, guessing it's the driver resonance of a 16 mm 'tweeter' with extremly strong neodym magnet and low Qts. For casing the 6 cm wavelenght doesn't fit in theory.

On the other hand, it's not a big resonance peak, but can cause up to +3 db at 5.5 kHz  in frequenfy with 'unlucky' amping.

Zune Player works well, x1060 Sony also.

 

at this time, I'm writing a review and compare ie8 and w4r and ex1000 for my local forum (Persian forum)

 I think that ex1000 has  sibilance with bands like Dream theater  but not as much Symphony X (and I can't tolerate that)

post #2744 of 3000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Airwin View Post

Hi there,

 

I received my EX1000s today and I'm blown away by the sound, as nice as my Klipsch Custom 3 in the mids with better highs and bass. Far better Mids than UE3 and other multidriver IEs.

 

Just wonder why Sony discontinued them?! They are real beauties for audiophiles.

 

X2. Listening to the EX1000 again, after a very very long time of abstinence... what an utterly fantastic pair of earphones! smile_phones.gif

 

I think, at least every classical lover (who can afford these) should give them a try. Their presentation with large orchestra is unlike that of all other IEMs I know (well, maybe except for the EX600, but those have a slightly shallower stage). The EX1000's presentation is actually closer to full-sized open phones than IEMs, imo.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Airwin View Post

In my opinion, the 'peaking' highs comes and goes with different eartips. Isolating tips works much better for me than the silicon only tips.

BTW: I got no harsh audible peak around 5k, just tested with a wavegen. Some slight peaking in regions that are not this importand in real life listening.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by heart banger-97 View Post

 

at this time, I'm writing a review and compare ie8 and w4r and ex1000 for my local forum (Persian forum)

 I think that ex1000 has  sibilance with bands like Dream theater  but not as much Symphony X (and I can't tolerate that)

 

Oh, and I get zero sibilance or harsh peaks with the DIY tips shown in post #1.

 

First time round I couldn't get a good fit with any other tips, but now that my tip collection has grown, I'll try to do some tip rollling again and see what it does to the highs...

post #2745 of 3000

Funny thing is james with the MDR-7550s no matter the fit I don't get any sort of sibilance. In fact I'm not even using the Sony Hybrid tips on them as it constricts the sound stage. IMO the "not having a good fit" is a poor excuse for the EX1000 shortcomings. Not that I'm attacking you hear, I'm attacking the product itself.
 


Edited by lee730 - 10/16/12 at 4:45pm
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