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Wow.  I've mentioned I did perceive a very slight difference but nothing drastic like you mention.  It was just an ever so slight enhancement to a narrow peak in the EX1000 that may have enhanced a sense of separation and air within that band and it's harmonics.  Very very slight though, maybe real or imagined.  I'll let others determine the validity of my senses since I'm obviously unqualified and third parties are much more so.  tongue_smile.gif

 

I think he got that idea from other uses making such ridiculous comments. Yours is the most sound impression I've read in regards to the cable, you said it was so small it's maybe imagined, that easily complys with the data. You also mentioned maybe it was just a gain thing which is also quite sound and that was even before the measurements were done. I'll say you did a honest job comparing, can't same the same for the rest, but these kind of things are to be measured to be certain. 

 

Do I get any points --or a big round of applause, perhaps-- for having said I heard no difference whatsoever right around the time Mr Anaxilus said he felt the EX600 cable sounded better than the EX1000 cable?


Edited by music_4321 - 5/28/12 at 12:58pm
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Well, Anax took that part back though. It's understandable, placebo is a big factor.  People have a big ego about their hearing, that's why some won't take things back. 

 

I guess I missed your take on that. In all seriousness, congrats, since you were right all along. 


Edited by Inks - 5/28/12 at 1:01pm
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I never said the EX600 cable sounded 'better'.  

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I never said the EX600 cable sounded 'better'.  

 

See (below) what you wrote in June 2011. I interpret that as saying that the EX600 cable sounds better than the EX1000 cable.

 

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Now for the exception.  You might not like this but take it as you like.  I noticed the EX1000 sounded really good today w/ none of that splashiness and treble peak that was fatiguing me all the previous times... I looked down and remembered I had swapped the 600 and 1000 cables when playing with them.  I reverted them back and the issues I had w/ the ex1000 seemed to return.  Oh the fatigue!  Call it expectation bias or whatever but that's how it sounds to me.  I'm going to do more testing but so far I prefer the 1000 w/ the 600 cable which would be good being that I'm in the US we get the 'cheap' 600 cable on the 1000.
 
Edit - Bad news.  The cable does make a difference to my ears.  The fatigue and peak is gone.  This is now the near perfect and best of all the universals I've heard.  If I had swapped the cables back in January I would have given these a gigantic thumbs up!  I can listen to these endlessly now and the balance and tonality is spot on.  Time to wait for a sale or the 7550.  Unless something happens w/ burn-in the EX600 will be going back, not for me.
 
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See (below) what you wrote in June 2011. I interpret that as saying that the EX600 cable sounds better than the EX1000 cable.

 

 

Wrt balance and tonality is helped mitigate the peak but I felt it lost some separation, imaging and ambient detail I've grown accustomed to in my particular customs which is why I wanted to buy the EX1000 cable off you at the time.  Less peaky but also less interesting.  One reason I never bothered getting the EX1000 among others. 

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Yup, you were never curious why I wanted to buy the EX1000 cable after that?

 

I didn't want to talk about the cable crap anymore since everybody has some sort of horse in the race and I think pretty much everybody acts stupidly about it so I saw no point in discussing anything further about a phone I wasn't going to get. Especially when most people seemed incapable of discerning the EX600 from the EX1000 w/ their ears and gears.

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Yup, you were never curious why I wanted to buy the EX1000 cable after that?

 

I didn't want to talk about the cable crap anymore since everybody has some sort of horse in the race and I think pretty much everybody acts stupidly about it so I saw no point in discussing anything further about a phone I wasn't going to get. Especially when most people seemed incapable of discerning the EX600 from the EX1000 w/ their ears and gears.

 

Actually, I was curious and rather surprised and did, in fact, ask you twice about why you wanted to get the 'not-so-nice' EX1000 cable, but I never quite got a straight answer.

 

From my part, I'll leave it at that since I was simply responding to Inks' post and not intending to have this sort of exchange with you.

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From my part, I'll leave it at that since I was simply responding to Inks' post and not intending to have this sort of exchange with you.

 

Yeah, nothing directed at you personally about the cable thing.  Just generic commentary.  I'm down w/ the birdman.  Sometimes we hear the same, sometimes we don't, but we know each other well enough to know where the other is coming from.

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Now, go back and listen to those K3003s properly with the "reference" filter!  ;)

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This is wildly off topic but after having recently obtained the CK10, I want to somewhat take back what I said earlier in this thread. I find the CK10 instrument realism to be fan-freaking-tastic. I find it neither lean nor treble heavy with the Meelec A161 triple flanges. For me, it really does an excellent job removing itself from the music. What is happening to me? tongue.gif

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What a fun and interesting debate, and I always enjoy reading Inks thoughts on frequency response and how that affects what we hear, so I thought I'd give my unsolicited 2 cents.
I can certainly understand and agree with the need to base evaluations off the neutral graph target (especially with sources and amps) and that the closer to flat, the easier it will be to pick out details. However I do have to say in my experience, I find that increased speed from BA's and, in the case of the DBA-02 (I have not heard the ck10 but have read they are somewhat similar), the flatter frequency response doesn't necessarily do any favors in helping it in the area of instrument realism. In fact I find the DBA-02 to sound more like a "fun" phone, just tilted towards the other side of the spectrum normally associated with fun.
Being IEMs, I find that there has to be a bit of a bump in the bass to offset how tinny, lean or metallically bright they can sound to my ears, regardless of insertion depth. I realize I have a preference for a more visceral impact in bass over neutral but I do not believe this preference affects my ability to look beyond it and determine if something sounds realistic or not.
Regarding speed, I also think "fast" phones sound more fun than realistic. Having been around acoustic guitars most of my adult life, I can tell you the EX1000 and FX700 reproduce that instrument more life like than any other universals I've heard. I think the lingering sustain of the note more closely reproduces the sound an acoustic guitar makes when strummed. Also, having one of my best friends being a metal/hard rock drummer, I can tell you that the BA speed definitely makes double bass drumming sound more fun than real. At least to me, there just isn't that much instrument separation in real life. It does tend to run together a bit as the skins and kicks continue to vibrate as the next impact occurs.
Don't get me wrong, I love a fast phone with great instrument separation. It can add to the emotion or energy of a song but ultimately it's not how music sounds when you're making it, or in my case, when you're watching your friends make it b/c you're terrible at your instrument of choice.

Edited by shotgunshane - 5/29/12 at 11:44am
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^  Interesting.

 

I was going to post something on the ATH-CKM500 thread earlier today in defence of Inks, even when Inks and I have disagreed to some extent a couple of times recently, but for some reason I could not bring myself to click on the submit button. Seeing your post now, I really wish I had, not so much because Inks needs defending or support --perhaps he does, actually!-- but because we need more people like him in the IEMs forum, people who genuinely have something to contribute in this forum, which does not necessarily mean they're always right. I still disagree --even rather strongly at times-- with some of Inks' take on audio and the importance of data.


Edited by music_4321 - 5/29/12 at 11:54pm
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Hey guys, i will be receiving a EX1000 tomorrow and was wondering if this is being used as like the impression thread so i will no where to post comments.

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Just post it :)

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