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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

I posted the following elsewhere 6 days ago; I soon deleted the post but kept a copy. It seems appropriate to post part of it again:

"It's time for me to take yet another voluntary break from HF. How long will it be this time? No idea. The first lasted about 6 months, the second around a month, and the last one lasted 3 weeks or so. Hey, this might last only 3 days! I doubt it, though.


Why? Like always, It feels right. Not much thinking or analysing is necessary when you know it's simply the right thing to do -- it's like a smell, before you can even begin to think about it, you know when something smells right or wrong, whether it's pleasant or unpleasant.


There are great people here --absolutely no doubt about it-- and I'm very happy to say I have 'met' a few of them. I know there will be those who follow or post on this thread, and some who will later find out, who will be quite pleased music_4321 will be taking a break, wishing it'll be a looooong one, if not permanent. I also know there will be some/few who wish I didn't take a break, specially a long or permanent one."



I have to say that it's almost a shock to see that a thread I once felt very comfortable in, which later became a real mess and remained so for a long time, in the last few days has had some interesting, and dare I even say meaningful, posts. So, after this post, my post above still stands as of now, and with the same intent, ie after this post, I've no idea when I'll be posting again.


Please, PLEASE, take my comments for what they are, comments & observations.


Random thoughts:


Why is it that Flamenco music & dance attract so many Japanese people? There are excellent Japanese Flamenco players and dancers. However, most of them, while being often more technically proficient than true Flamenco musicians & dancers, lack that/those element(s) that go(es) beyond mere 'perfect' execution.


Why is it that a fairly balanced person is often rejected by society? Can there be perfection in imperfection? This not merely a rhetorical question, it is a real question, though perhaps a somewhat clichéd one in certain circles.


A bassy phone is often recommended for bass-heavy music -- it shouldn't, it makes already bassy music even more bassy.


"X phone renders music as the artist intended" -- Often it's not the 'artist' who has golden ears but the recording engineer, and even there, some have better ears than others and different ways to approach recording and mastering music.


This phone renders music just as if I was listening to said music live -- the fact is that way over 50% of live music sucks sonically. One of several questions regarding live music: Just where exactly were you sitting in said venues/clubs? But, there's more, much more.


Often many so-called musicians tend to tune their instruments in a certain way, play in a certain way (read: tone) and if the 'music' is recorded, it'll be recorded and mastered in a certain way, very often not in a standard way.


The CK10, to these ears, was unnaturally bright, lacked proper bass response and, ultimately, did not render instruments realistically. Same, but even worse, was my experience with the SM3. I find both IEMs overrated


A lot of classical music, rock music, pop music, world music, jazz, etc. is recorded and mastered differently. Hardly ever does anyone point out they listen to this or that sort of music, or even within a particular genre, a subgenre, and such and such an artist.


There's such a thing as placebo.

There's such a thing as placebo -- yes, I thought it was very relevant to say so again.

There's such a thing as earwax.


There's such a thing as hearing loss.


There's such things as egos.


There's such things as music overload & noise overload.


There's such things as the effects of drugs, alcohol & diet in the way we perceive music and other things. BUT, there is more than those that affect the way we perceive things at any given moment.


There's such a thing as loving a very cheap phone and not being impressed by a very, very expensive phone -- no, I'm not talking about sound preferences.


The best sex manual does not make you a good lover. The best driving manual does not make you good driver. The best music book/manual does not make you a good musician. Playing an instrument does not make you a musician. Playing an instrument for 20 years does not make you a musician. Practising an instrument for 4-8 hours a day does not make you a musician.

Not all music is Music.


Creativity is often misunderstood. Egos often get in the way of Music. Emotion is misunderstood -- it is both underrated and overrated.


FR graphs are that, FR graphs -- they are (very) useful but limited -- they can even be very limited. And this is NOT about the all-too-comfy comment: "We all have our sound preferences" or "It's all just a matter of different opinions"










 

I love the last part. Starting from the sex manual.
I think we all should learn to appreciate music itself more-so as I continually repeat. If the medium isn't doing the job, that's fine. Everyone has their own preferences. Just like in sports or boxing and any real life application. E.g there are clear differences between the average street person and Joe Frazier, but when it comes down to the best heavy-weight slugger, some may prefer cassius (ali) over dempsey for his unorthodox deadly approach while others may argue a tyson in his prime was unstoppable bar none.
It doesn't take science and measurements to enjoy or make music. All you have to do is listen... Just listen and then act accordingly.
Some people place too much weight on graphs and the words of others. Try it for yourself first! Don't buy into preconceived notions instinctively.
post #2687 of 3000
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Originally Posted by olear View Post


 According to joker's review, the EX1000 has slight emphasis toward the top of the midrange. That's how I hear them.



That's not a defining characteristic of a V-sig. Which contrasts your view on the last post.
Edited by Sil3nce - 4/19/12 at 3:57pm
post #2688 of 3000
Joker does think its v-shaped last we talked, keyword is slight. I think a lot of emotions start to run through once the v-shaped label is placed since it has bad connotations (please don't PM joker about it, it's annoying). The EX1000 just isn't as flat as one would think in relation to something closer to the reference level. It isnt linear to be a true monitor but yes, it's far far closer than most IEMs out there which are highly colored. It's still a good product, though overpriced which is why I tend to have an easier time recommending the EX600 first which isn't that far off.

If we were solely speaking of preferences, the fact that it isn't flat shouldn't matter, but emotions do run through for some.

Music, I suspect you couldn't get the CK10 to the 2nd bend which is fine, it's nozzle is poorly made.
post #2689 of 3000
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Joker does think its v-shaped last we talked, keyword is slight. I think a lot of emotions start to run through once the v-shaped label is placed since it has bad connotations (please don't PM joker about it, it's annoying). The EX1000 just isn't as flat as one would think in relation to something closer to the reference level. It isnt linear to be a true monitor but yes, it's far far closer than most IEMs out there which are highly colored. It's still a good product, though overpriced which is why I tend to have an easier time recommending the EX600 first which isn't that far off.
If we were solely speaking of preferences, the fact that it isn't flat shouldn't matter, but emotions do run through for some.
Music, I suspect you couldn't get the CK10 to the 2nd bend which is fine, it's nozzle is poorly made.

Well-said. I agree with this. My own apologies if I was a tad involved with the opposing view.
What matters is that we all share our own experiences, respectful of others.
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

The EX1000 just isn't as flat as one would think in relation to something closer to the reference level.

 

I still disagree, IME the EX1000 has slightly less bass quantity than the UERM.  If you want to say the UERM has bloated or exaggerated bass feel free.  The K3003 certainly seems to have more bass than the EX1000 to me as well w/ reference filters but less than the GR07.  I would say that if someone became psychoacoustically adjusted to the lesser bass quantity of another phone anything more than that will sound overdone.  Same goes for the other direction.  I'm also not sure why you are discounting the use of gear and tips to explain differences in perception and making such an absolute crusade out of this EX1000 V-shape thing as if it's absolute.  If the ER4 and diffuse field is your reference for neutral then we just simply disagree on what neutral is.  That's fine.  I simply don't think the ER4 graph is what I'd consider neutral.  The HD800 uses diffuse field too and has more measured and produced bass.  You can see how they graph versus the LCD2 or 009.  Senn and Beyer simply have a different interpretation of neutral compared to Audeze and Stax.  I like to call it anechoic versus acoustic gain.


Edited by Anaxilus - 4/19/12 at 5:46pm
post #2691 of 3000

I also still don't consider the EX1000 V shaped but that is my opinion. I also don't consider it to be neutral although it is more in that direction, this is due to the treble. The mid range and bass are IMO very balanced.
 

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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

I also still don't consider the EX1000 V shaped but that is my opinion. I also don't consider it to be neutral although it is more in that direction, this is due to the treble. The mid range and bass are IMO very balanced.
 

 

Just to be clear, lee730 and myself are referring to the area that can be considered upper mids or lower treble depending on your point of reference. 

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That's not a defining characteristic of a V-sig. Which contrasts your view on the last post.

 I am surprised to learn the EX1000 has a V sig. In my last post I repeated what joker stated in his review, that there is a  slight emphasis toward the top of the midrange. There is no mention of a V sig.

 

I wonder if the Westone 4 also has a slight V sig and Sony 7550.

 

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The 7550 isn't 'V' to me at all.

 

This reminds me of the M50 thread.  V-shape versus U-shape versus smiley face, recessed mids versus boosted bass and treble, etc.

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How about X shaped? That must sound very intimate, huh?

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How about X shaped? That must sound very intimate, huh?

 

;)

 

 

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Well whatever the case, my ex1000 are on a journey to australia to a fellow headfi'er for his own impressions.
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How about X shaped? That must sound very intimate, huh?

Get out. The only X-rated signature I've heard was your [mom's] moans.
Moans as an endearing term in this case smily_headphones1.gif
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I promise mine sounds like X shaped because I heard that "nose sucking" which turn out to be the intimate noise.

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Originally Posted by olear View Post

 

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Originally Posted by Sil3nce View Post


That's not a defining characteristic of a V-sig. Which contrasts your view on the last post.

 I am surprised to learn the EX1000 has a V sig. In my last post I repeated what joker stated in his review, that there is a  slight emphasis toward the top of the midrange. There is no mention of a V sig.

 

I wonder if the Westone 4 also has a slight V sig and Sony 7550.

 



the w4 will never have it because it's also a mid centric phone and when compared to ex1000, the mids of ex1000 are more distant and for me doesn't have the intimacy that the w4 has on the mids.. this one i suspect could contribute to the ex1000 being slightly V shaped when you come from a mid forward or midcentric phone..

if there's anything slightly emphasized on the w4, like what james444 said, it would be none the other than the midbass
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