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Originally Posted by lostid View Post

Hey take a look at this store selling a pair of EX1000 for almost US$ 1,500. LOL

 

 



I wonder if that includes free shipping. rolleyes.gif

post #2627 of 2984
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I wonder if that includes free shipping. rolleyes.gif

 

I wonder that price includes a few massages. LOL.

 

Can someone please correct his English? normal_smile%20.gif

 

"The product of this place has time to sending it as 14th from 10th from an order day.
I keep it in mind to be able to make a deal to all the staff, a visitor in peace."

 

post #2628 of 2984
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Originally Posted by Sil3nce View Post

Initial impressions
Eargasm. That's all I can say right now,
Just opened up the package that's been tempting me for too long today.
Pulled out an interesting pair of woodie iems, the JVC Ha-Fx700.
Initial fit was unbelievably easy, comfortable and light-weight.
I had the pleasure of listening to these a few times. But now I actually got to treasure them myself and in the relative silence of my home.
Funny thing, I really didn't expect how different these sound from my own tips and set-up.
Definitely a bass-lover's iem above all. Rich bodacious low to mid bass. And lots of it. Everything sounds so natural with excellent timbre.
This is the bane of the um3x, taking a completely different approach.
I love their massive soundstage that's unmatched by no other iems I've heard.
Mids are detailed and centered, not recessed but offset the tipped low-end.
My only complaint is simply the sheer amount of bass quantity that smacks you and massages you.
Granted the fx700 could completely pass as an acoustic-only specialist. The bass is only there when the track calls for it.
I'll be playing around with a few other tips asides from the ue single silicone.
By the way, they smell like wood. Mhm, yummy <3
So overall a 9.5/10 high-resolution iem favoring an open presentation with a slightly colored woody tone. Thankfully not too warm or cold. These are sonic perfection in both design and signature for the price of 250-300.

 

Welcome to the FX club. I love them as well.. You think they are good now. Wait til you burn them in. The bass will be more controlled, Treble will settle a bit and be more smooth. The mid range will open up a bit more and have a lot more micro detailing. I was about to part with my pair but with about 150 hours on them I am really enjoying them. They are keepers. A big plus so far has been with gaming. They are spot on with the sound staging and imagine for FPS games. My shotty is the most feared in Doom3 ;)
 

 


Edited by lee730 - 4/10/12 at 12:58am
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I think that "my ears are highly sensitve" did create a boost of egos, lol. 

 

I think Selenium was referring to someone else, not you.


 

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There is a big objective factor in sound quality. We all hear just about the same given the same fit, it's our perceptions that differ. I do think those that know what to look for and have experience have the bigger saying, but I'll emphasize more of the former as there are those who are experienced but get caught up in the emotional aspect of how they feel about a product.

 

Hmm...

 

 

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I wish the sound-science forum were used more...

 

 

Yes, I agree that forum should be used more but, by the same token, I can't help but feel that you place too much importance in these seemingly objective aspects of audio, specially in the last few months -- this is not a criticism but an observation. I get the impression that graphs have practically been dictating how good/bad an IEM sounds to you. I have to wonder why hardly any phone out there has a (near) flat freq response -- no, not everyone is a basshead or wants a 'fun' (read: V-shaped) sounding phone.
 

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

This is the best, consice,  sum up i've read of the EX1000s. 

 


In that link we get the following: "MDR-EX1000's frequency response is not flat. Rather, it is V-shaped; a slight emphasis on bass & treble"

 

What I find interesting is that some people will complain about the Sony's upper mids/lower treble peak -- fine. Several people have also complained about the bass being too lean -- fine. And here (in the link you provided) we have someone saying the EX1000s are V-shaped, even when he says there's "a slight emphasis". While I've seen several people complain about the upper mids/lower treble peak, I've not yet seen anyone complain about a bass emphasis.

 

Perhaps my ears are not as sophisticated as I'd like to think and, specifically in the case of the EX1000's bass, to say that the Sonys are V-shaped seems just wrong, or wrong when compared to how instruments, specially acoustic and electric bass, sound in real life. The graph may say there's "a slight bass emphasis" --though I really have to wonder whether such measurements were obtained under perfect conditions-- but my ears don't. Perhaps a flat freq curve just doesn't represent accurately what we hear in the real world. I'm not talking about flat being necesarily boring, dull or clinical, but just wrong, unnatural & unrealistic -- close, perhaps, but not close enough to the real thing.

 

The EX1000 is a great phone, but not perfect, and I personally described the differences between the Sonys and the W4s here, and came to the conclusion I'd like to keep both as they compliment each other very well, in my view.

 


Edited by music_4321 - 4/10/12 at 1:23am
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once i had the ex1000 cables the highs were not the problem anymore (but became too bright for me only when i plugged it on the macbook which happen to be neutral)

 

it gave more resolution on the highs and more lively sound..

 

the vocals which are cold on the ex600 cables became neutral to bright so that's when the upper mids tires me and couldn't do anything bout it.. and joker mentioned too that their trebles are hot and fatiguing

 

so maybe it was an unfortunate thing for me to happen but i never had regrets with the um3x and w4

 

 

the BASS on the ex600 and ex1000 cables are night and day difference... they are heaven and perfect for me on the ex1000 cables. without the ex1000 cables for me you are not hearing their full potential..

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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post


 

 

I think Selenium was referring to someone else, not you.


 

 

Hmm...

 

 

 

Yes, I agree that forum should be used more but, by the same token, I can't help but feel that you place too much importance in these seemingly objective aspects of audio, specially in the last few months -- this is not a criticism but an observation. I get the impression that graphs have practically been dictating how good/bad an IEM sounds to you. I have to wonder why hardly any phone out there has a (near) flat freq response -- no, not everyone is a basshead or wants a 'fun' (read: V-shaped) sounding phone.
 


In that link we get the following: "MDR-EX1000's frequency response is not flat. Rather, it is V-shaped; a slight emphasis on bass & treble"

 

What I find interesting is that some people will complain about the Sony's upper mids/lower treble peak -- fine. Several people have also complained about the bass being too lean -- fine. And here (in the link you provided) we have someone saying the EX1000s are V-shaped, even when he says there's "a slight emphasis". While I've seen several people complain about the upper mids/lower treble peak, I've not yet seen anyone complain about a bass emphasis.

 

Perhaps my ears are not as sophisticated as I'd like to think and, specifically in the case of the EX1000's bass, to say that the Sonys are V-shaped seems just wrong, or wrong when compared to how instruments, specially acoustic and electric bass, sound in real life. The graph may say there's "a slight bass emphasis" --though I really have to wonder whether such measurements were obtained under perfect conditions-- but my ears don't. Perhaps a flat freq curve just doesn't represent accurately what we hear in the real world. I'm not talking about flat being necesarily boring, dull or clinical, but just wrong, unnatural & unrealistic -- close, perhaps, but not close enough to the real thing.

 

The EX1000 is a great phone, but not perfect, and I personally described the differences between the Sonys and the W4s here, and came to the conclusion I'd like to keep both as they compliment each other very well, in my view.

 


I in no way found the EX1000 to be bass heavy. How much more light can you go? The bass was beautiful on them IMO and the best part of the EX1000 just not enough quantity for my taste. The quality was 100% there though. Mid range was very nice, could be a bit peaky at times but I'm use to the SHHH from vocals. unless it's really bad then I'd complain. Now the treble was a whole different story...

 


Edited by lee730 - 4/10/12 at 1:27am
post #2632 of 2984
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


Welcome to the FX club. I love them as well.. You think they are good now. Wait til you burn them in. The bass will be more controlled, Treble will settle a bit and be more smooth. The mid range will open up a bit more and have a lot more micro detailing. I was about to part with my pair but with about 150 hours on them I am really enjoying them. They are keepers. A big plus so far has been with gaming. They are spot on with the sound staging and imagine for FPS games. My shotty is the most feared in Doom3 wink.gif

 

Thanks. Interesting you mention gaming. These certainly have pin-point imaging and an expansive stage. And best of all they're so darn comfy. I barely feel sound is coming into my ears, rather from the environment. Great 3d presentation.
If I can get a little less bass then these are keepers.
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maybe it really needs a setup but then again my friend who has a lot of setup he can give still told me the upper mids were a bothersome and the cause of fatigue for him and also for me..

 

on some songs which had sibilance it was painful for me even already on a high quality (ALAC) both the macbook and ipod classic gave me this

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For those who have this album, I have heard quite a few gentle "nose sucking" in the 2nd track with the EX1000. It appears the "instrument sibilance" is related to violin sound.

post #2635 of 2984
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For those who have this album, I have heard quite a few gentle "nose sucking" in the 2nd track with the EX1000. It appears the "instrument sibilance" is related to violin sound.



Treble ;)

post #2636 of 2984
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Thanks. Interesting you mention gaming. These certainly have pin-point imaging and an expansive stage. And best of all they're so darn comfy. I barely feel sound is coming into my ears, rather from the environment. Great 3d presentation.
If I can get a little less bass then these are keepers.


What was funny is when you said they are light lol. I guess in a sense they are light but when you compare them to similarly sized IEMs they are quite heavy. But in ear they are very comfortable and non-fatiguing. I've had them in my ears for at least 10 hours today, and not the slightest hint of fatigue.

post #2637 of 2984
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Treble ;)


My guess is that airy sounding comes with a little price. A forum member also PM'ed me and confirmed the "instrument sibilance". Hey isn't true violin sound compared to female vocal? I guess that's why we got "vocal sibilance" with the violin.

 

Other than that, the EX1000 sounds technically beautiful to my ears with that dynamic, vibrant and airy sounding.

 

post #2638 of 2984
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My guess is that airy sounding comes with a little price. A forum member also PM'ed me and confirmed the "instrument sibilance". Hey isn't true violin sound compared to female vocal? I guess that's why we got "vocal sibilance" with the violin.

 

Other than that, the EX1000 sounds technically beautiful to my ears with that dynamic, vibrant and airy sounding.

 


Yeah generally violins and female vocals have a tendency of being sibilant. So just don't PO the misses and all should be well with your hearing ;). Although I am tempted to turn up the volume with certain tracks it can get unbearable due to sibilance. Kinda sucks when you think of it.

 


Edited by lee730 - 4/10/12 at 3:12am
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

When every graph there is out there shows theres that peak, it's definitely definitive and people hear it as well There are things you can do to tame it and certain recordings will let it pass while others will emphasize it.

 

A big factor to consider is gain, when my environment is very quiet and my volume levels are kind of on the low side, it's pretty polite with the peak. I can make it sound more even with small m6 triflanges but you do loose some treble extension, not sure what I like more yet. 

 

I think that "my ears are highly sensitve" did create a boost of egos, lol. 

 

There is a big objective factor in sound quality. We all hear just about the same given the same fit, it's our perceptions that differ. I do think those that know what to look for and have experience have the bigger saying, but I'll emphasize more of the former as there are those who are experienced but get caught up in the emotional aspect of how they feel about a product. 

 

graphs don't tell you what you should hear, it's an IEMs response in a simulator. There are many things that can change due to fit, shallower seal will loose you some bass linearity and create a 10-13k resonance. Depth as a whole changes the gain of the treble with longer tips with smaller bores taming the treble. Sensitivity is also very high in the midhighs, which is why a lot manufacturers avoid a peak like the Sonys. Graphs are a big part of measuring performance though, no doubt about that but there are many things to consider, not all graphs are created equal. GE has poor graphs, their compensation guidelines are iffy. It's no coincidence that the most detailed IEMs out there graph very flat. 

 

I wish the sound-science forum were used more...


First of all, your knowledgable contributions are very much appreciated - and I mean it.

Second, like I said before, I don't doubt at all that some people are annoyed by the EX1000's treble - and I'm honestly sorry for them.

 

But, from my perspective, you have to understand that not everyone is interested in (or even has the time for) digging as deep into sound-science as you do. Most folks that I meet in the threads or in PM are just looking for an answer to a simple question: "Will these phones sound great to me?"

 

With my cursury understanding of frequency response graphs, I looked at the EX1000's substantial treble spikes on sonove.jp and decided that these phones were not for me. However, when I finally got to hear them (months later), I was amazed that I found none of the sibilance or harshness that was to be expected - and finally concluded in my review "the Sony's treble is amongst the most forgiving and refined I've ever heard".

 

Therefore, in my own personal experience, relying on a FR-graph had given me the wrong answer to my simple question, since the EX1000 sound absolutely great to me. Other experienced listeners, like dfkt, Joker and Mike from Headfonia have also reported that they didn't hear any sibilance or harshness.

 

Now, does that mean that Sonove's measurements were wrong? Obviously not, since other FR-graphs show similar spikes.

Then maybe it means that dfkt, Joker, Mike from Headfonia and I should all go and see an otologist? I hope not.

 

So here's my personal conclusion, FR-graphs are undoubtedly useful, as they can give me a general idea of what to expect. But they can't act as a substitute for auditioning, and most important of all, they ultimately can't answer that simple question, whether any specific phone will sound great to me or not.

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Yeah generally violins and female vocals have a tendency of being sibilant. So just don't PO the misses and all should be well with your hearing ;). Although I am tempted to turn up the volume with certain tracks it can get unbearable due to sibilance. Kinda sucks when you think of it.

 


or you can do the actual nose sucking to overpower the EX1000 if you are good at the timing. wink_face.gif

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