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post #2611 of 3000

It's not about using lots of tips, it's about using the proper ones.

 

I think you can insert it deeper under the ear than over the ear. 

post #2612 of 3000

As I previously described the annoyance was something like the sound from someone experiencing nasal blockage trying to suck his nose. It doesn't happen often but in that particular album it occurred many times.

 

I am very familiar with the flow of my music and if there is anything annoying it won't escape from my hearing.

 

 

 

post #2613 of 3000
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Jm2c, the X1000's (supposed) spike/harshness/sibilance issue has already been discussed ad nauseam without definitive results, and for every fellow who's been bothered by their highs, there's another one who loves them:
 

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Mike from Headphonia said they have "one of the sweetest sounding upper mid I’ve heard", and he was using stock tips. Puzzling...

 

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I agree. I'm very sensitive to too bright treble, and the EX1000 have none of that. They are clearly more relaxed to my ears than the examples James mentioned.

 

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Despite the moderate amount of emphasis, the EX1000 is only a hair hotter than the GR07 and manages to remain extremely smooth and refined without giving up crispness or resolution. It is not harsh and almost never sibilant. Over long listening sessions, the EX1000 can be a little more fatiguing than the GR07 but again not due to harshness or sibilance. Rather, it is the overall tilt towards treble that may grow tiresome for some listeners.

 

 

And since there haven't been any new aspects to this matter in a long time, let me just quote two of my earlier posts, which pretty much sum up my position:

 

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The sonove graph was actually the reason why I held back quite some time from buying these the moment they were released. Only after I read the headfonia review (months later) I started thinking that maybe the graph might not be telling the whole truth.


Just for reference, the CK10 and RE0 had too fatiguing treble for me. The HJE900 was borderline so before the foam mod and I still consider the FX700 a good deal more aggressive in highs than the Sonys. Go figure x2.

 

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As I see it, the treble spike isn't there per se, but rather as a result of driver, tips, fit and ear canal shape interacting. Considering the precarious fit with the EX600/1000 it's imo impossible to predict for an individual listener whether she/he will experience treble harshness. There's even one member who reported the treble spike gone when he switched from the EX1000's cables to the EX600's.

 

While treble harshness has been pretty much unanimously reported for the older EX700, this doesn't seem to be the case with the EX600 and EX1000. There are plenty of folks (including myself) who don't find the newer Sony's treble harsh at all. The only way to know for sure is to make use of Sony's return policy (in the US, or Amazon's in the EU) and try them for yourself.


People naturally tend to look for the one definitive truth, the one indisputable graph, the one pair of golden ears that tells us what we should hear. It seems unsatisfactory and hard to accept, that ever so often things just aren't that straightforward and simple. As I see it, the Sony EX1000 are a paramount example of how contradicting impressions and opinions are all equally justified, or, in other words, of how we just happen to hear things differently. smile_phones.gif

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People naturally tend to look for the one definitive truth, the one indisputable graph, the one pair of golden ears that tells us what we should hear. It seems unsatisfactory and hard to accept, that ever so often things just aren't that straightforward and simple. As I see it, the Sony EX1000 are a paramount example of how contradicting impressions and opinions are all equally justified, or, in other words, of how we just happen to hear things differently. smile_phones.gif



Exactly  my feeling James. You hit it right on the noise. It all comes down to how we hear things and our own preferences. No one is necessarily right over the other. I was just backing up Lostid because I am one of quite a few other headfiers who have experienced issues with the EX1000. Now if you don't hear it, great. You are lucky. But I can and for me it's a major flaw that makes then intolerable. For others that's not the case.

post #2615 of 3000

I actually just listened again to the 1st and 2nd movements of that concerto and heard again that annoyance especially for the 2nd movement. I have no problem with vocal sibilance and don't have any issue with trebles concerning the EX1000.

 

Hey guys I love the EX1000 minus the thing I mentioned. I am not here to bash anything and just report what I heard. That's it nothing less nothing more. I also don't have problems with people critic of, bashing or hyping anything you want. I regret if anyone's nerves were struck by my posts.

 

 

post #2616 of 3000

Don't sweat it Lostid. Some people tend to get their "panties in a bunch" over this stuff. Just kick back and enjoy the music.

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Don't sweat it Lostid. Some people tend to get their "panties in a bunch" over this stuff. Just kick back and enjoy the music.


I blame on Sony and I think I am gonna return the EX1000 and demand the EX600 instead. wink_face.gif

 

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I blame on Sony and I think I am gonna return the EX1000 and demand the EX600 instead. wink_face.gif

 



No I think you should demand for the FX700 ;)

post #2619 of 3000
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No I think you should demand for the FX700 ;)


A silver cable will do it. wink_face.gif

 

post #2620 of 3000

I was a bit too harsh(no pun intended) and for that you have my apologies, lostid. Like Inks said, sibilance and harshness aren't the same thing. And I'm guessing you're hearing the latter. I think it has more to do with source, recording, and other factors moreso than having "exceptionally better hearing than everyone else" like some people say to boost their ego. For the sake of actually being constructive, let me post some links where I here sibiliance and harshness with the EX1000.

 

First, harshness:

 

Katy B - Go Away (don't judge me, she's about the only dubstep artist I like)

 

Emilie Simon - Dreamland (fantastic song but I'd rather listen to it with the FX700)

 

Now for sibilance:

 

Josh Ritter - Southern Pacifica

 

The Atomica Project - Delorian (love this but not so much with the EX1000. Actually the sibilance in this one makes it unbearable to listen to with most 'phones)

 

post #2621 of 3000

Apology accepted and no hard feelings Selenium. In fact I appreciate your help when I first landed at head-fi trying to get the EX600 working for me. Since then I have learned a lot from this forum and fellow forum members. Now I enjoy very much my portable setup - Rockboxed iPod 5g paired with EX1000 and IE80. They sound amazing to my ears for my music. Five months ago I never heard of Rockbox, IE80 or EX1000.

 

Thanks for the links but I didn't bring the EX1000 to my office today to listen those. But I think I understand the sibilance and harshness. The annoyance I previously mentioned may well be the treble sparkle in the lower-mid frequency as mentioned by Lee. As said it doesn't happen often but I heard in that particular recording. It's not a big deal.

 

 

 

post #2622 of 3000

When every graph there is out there shows theres that peak, it's definitely definitive and people hear it as well There are things you can do to tame it and certain recordings will let it pass while others will emphasize it.

 

A big factor to consider is gain, when my environment is very quiet and my volume levels are kind of on the low side, it's pretty polite with the peak. I can make it sound more even with small m6 triflanges but you do loose some treble extension, not sure what I like more yet. 

 

I think that "my ears are highly sensitve" did create a boost of egos, lol. 

 

There is a big objective factor in sound quality. We all hear just about the same given the same fit, it's our perceptions that differ. I do think those that know what to look for and have experience have the bigger saying, but I'll emphasize more of the former as there are those who are experienced but get caught up in the emotional aspect of how they feel about a product. 

 

graphs don't tell you what you should hear, it's an IEMs response in a simulator. There are many things that can change due to fit, shallower seal will loose you some bass linearity and create a 10-13k resonance. Depth as a whole changes the gain of the treble with longer tips with smaller bores taming the treble. Sensitivity is also very high in the midhighs, which is why a lot manufacturers avoid a peak like the Sonys. Graphs are a big part of measuring performance though, no doubt about that but there are many things to consider, not all graphs are created equal. GE has poor graphs, their compensation guidelines are iffy. It's no coincidence that the most detailed IEMs out there graph very flat. 

 

I wish the sound-science forum were used more...

 

post #2623 of 3000

This is the best, consice,  sum up i've read of the EX1000s. 

 

Sony may have thought the need of an off-axis driver prevailed over the peak..

post #2624 of 3000
Initial impressions

Eargasm. That's all I can say right now,
Just opened up the package that's been tempting me for too long today.
Pulled out an interesting pair of woodie iems, the JVC Ha-Fx700.
Initial fit was unbelievably easy, comfortable and light-weight.
I had the pleasure of listening to these a few times. But now I actually got to treasure them myself and in the relative silence of my home.
Funny thing, I really didn't expect how different these sound from my own tips and set-up.
Definitely a bass-lover's iem above all. Rich bodacious low to mid bass. And lots of it. Everything sounds so natural with excellent timbre.
This is the bane of the um3x, taking a completely different approach.
I love their massive soundstage that's unmatched by no other iems I've heard.
Mids are detailed and centered, not recessed but offset the tipped low-end.
My only complaint is simply the sheer amount of bass quantity that smacks you and massages you.
Granted the fx700 could completely pass as an acoustic-only specialist. The bass is only there when the track calls for it.
I'll be playing around with a few other tips asides from the ue single silicone.
By the way, they smell like wood. Mhm, yummy <3
So overall a 9.5/10 high-resolution iem favoring an open presentation with a slightly colored woody tone. Thankfully not too warm or cold. These are sonic perfection in both design and signature for the price of 250-300.
post #2625 of 3000

Hey take a look at this store selling a pair of EX1000 for almost US$ 1,500. LOL

 

 

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