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WHY MUST YOU TEMPT ME?!

 

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I'm already looking for a way to tie it in a loop :D
 

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Don't know if it has been mentioned before, but the Sonys are easier to put on if you keep the earguides looped when not in use:

 

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Yourself? biggrin.gif
 

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Hey I'm at Singapore airport, a kind lady opened up a new box of an EX600 for me to demo, and that was some of the best 10 minutes of my Hi-Fi life, really I am so impressed, and today I was planning on demo'ing all kinds of high-end IEM's and now it's ruined after listening to the EX600, I mean really they sound nothing like the EX700, nothing at all.  Yeah I like the EX700 but the EX600 is a breath of fresh air in comparison, also after listening to electronic music with exceptional accuracy I listened to some classical and I am really impressed how well it did with strings, and I am picky with strings, jeez, it's the best demo I've ever done, I almost wanted to buy it but yeah $240 USD... anyway... on to see what happens later today, hopefully I get to hear the JH13, Final Audio something or other and Shure SRH-940, really this is hilarious.


Ok my day continued with the EX1000, the Shure SRH-940, a Final Audio, and an expensive custom IEM, oh and the ATH-A2000X.

 

I don't see the EX1000 as a direct improvement on the EX600, they sound different.  I do not view them as Yuin PK3, PK2, PK1, or Sony SA-1000, SA-3000, SA-5000, I'm very glad I heard the EX1000 so I could find this out.

 

I'm exhausted, time to unpack and sleep.

 

 

 


Edited by kiteki - 8/1/11 at 6:01pm
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I don't see the ortofon e-q5 getting much action in this thread anymore so I'll chime in. I've had them for about 4 months now and they still blow me away every time I put them in my ears. For lack of better words, they just sound so "right". Definitely not the best phones for hip hop, but electronica is top notch as well as pretty much every other genre. I just can't get over how good they sounded when I first got them, and how well they continue to sound. If anyone is on the fence, I'd really give these beauties some serious consideration. btw they look amazing in red.

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Ah, we have another contender in the field!

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Ok my day continued with the EX1000, the Shure SRH-940, a Final Audio, and an expensive custom IEM, oh and the ATH-A2000X.

 

I don't see the EX1000 as a direct improvement on the EX600, they sound different.  I do not view them as Yuin PK3, PK2, PK1, or Sony SA-1000, SA-3000, SA-5000, I'm very glad I heard the EX1000 so I could find this out.

 

I'm exhausted, time to unpack and sleep.

 

 

 

Sounds like you had a fun and productive day! Hehe. Am really curious to hear more of your impression of the Ex1000. Oh and which custom IEM did you try out? How did it fare against the EX1000?
 

 

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Kiteki, I'm finally hearing the Ex1000 today too, and I have been A/Bing both extensively for the last couple of hours. I have to agree with you and others in not thinking the EX1000 is a huge upgrade over the EX600. I would put the EX1000 at just a 10 percent upgrade over the EX600 in sound too. I will probably do a more extensive impressions of the EX1000 vs EX600 vs W4 (and maybe vs GR07) toward the end of the week.

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Ok my day continued with the EX1000, the Shure SRH-940, a Final Audio, and an expensive custom IEM, oh and the ATH-A2000X.

 

I don't see the EX1000 as a direct improvement on the EX600, they sound different.  I do not view them as Yuin PK3, PK2, PK1, or Sony SA-1000, SA-3000, SA-5000, I'm very glad I heard the EX1000 so I could find this out.

 

I'm exhausted, time to unpack and sleep.

 

 

 



 

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Kiteki, I'm finally hearing the Ex1000 today too, and I have been A/Bing both extensively for the last couple of hours. I have to agree with you and others in not thinking the EX1000 is a huge upgrade over the EX600. I would put the EX1000 at just a 10 percent upgrade over the EX600 in sound too. I will probably do a more extensive impressions of the EX1000 vs EX600 vs W4 (and maybe vs GR07) toward the end of the week.



 

Oh goodie! I can't wait. GR07 is another IEM i''m curious about too. biggrin.gif
 

 

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Ok my day continued with the EX1000, the Shure SRH-940, a Final Audio, and an expensive custom IEM, oh and the ATH-A2000X.

 

I don't see the EX1000 as a direct improvement on the EX600, they sound different.  I do not view them as Yuin PK3, PK2, PK1, or Sony SA-1000, SA-3000, SA-5000, I'm very glad I heard the EX1000 so I could find this out.

 

I'm exhausted, time to unpack and sleep.

 


Not sure about the demoing sequence in your 'phones marathon' yesterday, but I do know that at different times of day, specially depending on the amount of noise and/or music I've been exposed to, I hear things (quite) differently - there's such a thing as noise/music overload.
 
FWIW, I find both EX1000 & EX600 very very closely related, sounding very much alike. Like I said sometime ago, I find the EX1000 to sound roughly 10% better than the EX600, making the latter an exceptionally good phone for the price. I really think even a 10% SQ difference would be hard for some to hear.

 


Edited by music_4321 - 8/2/11 at 1:13am
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Let's just say to my ears the EX1000 scales better as your chain improves IMO.  I really do think it's a step up.  Though different, even the 7550 is and the 1000 better still.  Just different metrics and values I'm sure.

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When I was in Singapore last time, the Sony store I went to had lots of earphones for demo (EX300, EX500, EX700, various noise-cancelling models, XB500, XB700) and their customer service was good.  Anyway, once again, I'll find out tomorrow.


 

 


Your NW-HD5 sounds nice...

 

Yes after I upgraded from the cheapo flashing OLED Sony gumstick to the Teclast T51 I don't really use it anymore, I used to like it for ultraportable but now I am quite accustomed to the Teclast T51 output so the Sony gumstick sounds quite low-rez in comparison.

 

Thanks for your detailed post about mega bass, but I'm not a serious supporter of discmans and Sony mega bass or anything like that.  Yes I like discmans but I prefer my Teclast, and I'm receiving the Sony NWZ-X1051 on tuesday (unless a certain head-fier ripped me off in the trade and didn't send it, he got banned and hasn't contacted me).

 

I usually listen on flat Eq these days, well I always did with the ck10.  Sony EX700 sounds better with Eq. (1kHz -4)

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Hey I'm at Singapore airport, a kind lady opened up a new box of an EX600 for me to demo, and that was some of the best 10 minutes of my Hi-Fi life, really I am so impressed, and today I was planning on demo'ing all kinds of high-end IEM's and now it's ruined after listening to the EX600, I mean really they sound nothing like the EX700, nothing at all.  Yeah I like the EX700 but the EX600 is a breath of fresh air in comparison, also after listening to electronic music with exceptional accuracy I listened to some classical and I am really impressed how well it did with strings, and I am picky with strings, jeez, it's the best demo I've ever done, I almost wanted to buy it but yeah $240 USD... anyway... on to see what happens later today, hopefully I get to hear the JH13, Final Audio something or other and Shure SRH-940, really this is hilarious.


LOL, talk about bad timing. If you had came over Singapore earlier for the past few days before 31st July, you could have enjoyed a 20% discount off for all Sony IEMs/headphones when you purchase at the official SonyStyle Gallery outlets here, which includes the one at Sim Lim Square (the one you visited in one of your previous visits as you mentioned). I have heard the EX700 briefly before though I have not owned this pair of IEMs, and I agree with you there the current EX monitor series such as the EX1000/EX600 isn't anything like those. I also agree with you about how they do present and pull off an excellent rendition of string instruments in classical soundtracks such as those involving cello, violin and guitar. In fact, in terms of the treble sound presentation/clarity quality, I did mentioned in the other EX800ST thread started by sumo-kun, I actually found them to be pretty close in quality to my own CK100, which IMO has some of the best sound presentation when it comes to the midrange spectrum. (which is quite a crucial factor for instruments sounding good such as many string instruments as well as the piano)

I'm not a purist myself as well, so naturally I do use EQ-ing when listening to some soundtracks as well as some trance/house genres. But generally for mainstream music nowadays like contemporary pop/vocals, I do listen to my IEMs/headphone flat too, as I prefer it that way.
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Okay, a small update from me...

cn11's comments were right on the money... Upped myself to the large tips, and pulled the cable retainer tighter, and it makes the sound so much better (although location is still fiddly, can sound very muddy if not quite in the sweet spot)... Yes, happier now smily_headphones1.gif

Re synergy with the X1000, the EX1000 is the only 'phone that has made the DAP hiss, so I guess that is a bad thing, although the SQ / synergy is good, as you would expect smily_headphones1.gif

Repeating what others have said before me, the two stand out point for me are soundstage and bass quality... Both very good smily_headphones1.gif

...oh, and the fit, when right feels the most secure / comfy of any IEM I have ever owned / used smily_headphones1.gif

I second Duncan's and cn11's earlier comments. Despite that I only use S sized Sony Hybrids on my Audio-technicas IEM normally, I'm currently using the largest L sized Hybrid tips bundled with my EX800ST after doing some experimenting with fitting after I have received my pair. To my ears it seems that I'm getting the best comfort fit while using size L Sony hybrids, with my EX800ST, so I figured the EX1000/EX600 should work the same way for me as well. It seems that because of the magnesium alloy mentos-like housing shape of the EX1000 (and also EX800ST/EX600) you are not supposed to try to cram the whole housing into your ear, but just getting a rather shallow fit and they should fit into your ears usually. This seems to concide with my own listening impressions with the EX700 when I tried auditioning them the last time where it was supposed to be a shallow fitting, although because it was a rather brief listening session, I can't remember exactly if the fit on EX700 or my own current pair of EX800ST was better or more comfortable, as it was quite some yrs back).

Against my other pair of Sony MDR-CD900ST headphones in my current possession, my impressions are akin to what Duncan had experienced, I'm also able to 'hear' more bass quantity/quanlity as well as a wider soundstage, on my pair of EX800ST. In fact through-out my current listening experience with various brands of IEMs so far, I have to say the EX800ST rendition of bass is very nice and controlled, not the kind of flabby/boomy bass that I was once used to, on those previous EX71/EX81/EX90 NUDE monitor series by Sony. One of the reasons I had mentioned before why I lost faith in dynamic transducer IEMs once, was because generally the basic impression that dynamic IEMs give me so far prior to buying the EX800ST, was that they do not produce the kind of controlled/accurate bass rumble and the kind of treble clarity/transparency that I had experienced/was seeking for on many various flagship balanced armature IEMs, including my own pair of ATH-CK100s. Needless to say, after having the chance to own the EX800ST's as well as auditioning the EX1000 a couple days ago in my country, these have basically changed my impressions concerning dynamic IEMs, instilling the message very deeply into me that dynamic transducer driver technology have definitely made some good improvements during these years, despite that they are usually considered the much cheaper driver technology compared to modern BA driver types.
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You'd be surprised at how much of a difference tips can make my friend. Try triple flanges; they isolate almost too well in my case.


Triple flanges does do isolation better for some people, however you must also remember that not all people's earshapes are suited to wear tri-flange silicone tips for long hours of duration. I think I'm one of those few odd one out there who seemed to be able to tolerate my pair of Etymotics/Monster tri-flanges for long duration periods, but I would say comfort fit is definitely no-where near Sony Hybrids/Comply tips for sure, which is why I'm usually only sticking Sony Hybrids on my own pair of EX800ST into my ears, for my current usage at least.

In terms of isolation quality, if I were to nitpick it's probably of no surprise to anyone else here but the EX1000/EX800ST/EX600 does pale in comparison to my ATH-CK100 when it comes to achieving the ease of seal/isolation, but we all know it's probably because of their vented design, so it's not something that I tend to frown upon, as I still can make do with their current isolation properties.
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Not sure about the demoing sequence in your 'phones marathon' yesterday, but I do know that at different times of day, specially depending on the amount of noise and/or music I've been exposed to, I hear things (quite) differently - there's such a thing as noise/music overload.
 
FWIW, I find both EX1000 & EX600 very very closely related, sounding very much alike. Like I said sometime ago, I find the EX1000 to sound roughly 10% better than the EX600, making the latter an exceptionally good phone for the price. I really think even a 10% SQ difference would be hard for some to hear.

 


While doing minor A/Bing impressions at the shop that I tested the EX1000s, I did mentioned in the other thread I was unable to hear a difference in bass quantity/quality btw the EX1000 and my EX800ST. However with some movie/anime orchestra soundtracks of my, I did perceived a better treble quality and extension, on the EX1000 against my pair of EX800ST. This was basically tested straight out of my current 4G iPod Touch, with no additional amping or that LOD cables colouration crap in between. I also do agree with music_4321 here, at the fact that at different times through-out the day, my ears can sometimes indeed be slightly lesser, or more sensitive when listening to various IEMs/headphones in one sitting. Considering the current pricing that the EX600 can be gotten, over the MSRP of EX1000 almost everywhere including Singapore (it's retailing for 799 in singapore currency in case if anyone's interested), I would say the EX600 is probably a better deal compared to EX1000, if you are one of those who don't really care where your IEMs are made, and their difference in housing build. (I'm borned a Virgo who are usually considered perfectionist in terms of personality, and considering I'm such a japanophile myself so I decided to grab the EX800ST instead since these were made in Japan same as EX1000s) tongue.giftongue.gif
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Sounds like you had a fun and productive day! Hehe. Am really curious to hear more of your impression of the Ex1000. Oh and which custom IEM did you try out? How did it fare against the EX1000?
 


Yup, not only fun, but very informative, my perception of Hi-Fi has changed.   basshead.gif! <--- ATH-A2000X.

 

I had no idea what the custom was or how much it cost, nor how many drivers it had, so I had zero bias. I looked it up when I got home and it's a $1000+ custom (wow Jaben was nice to me). The EX600 sounded better.

 

If I had to rank the custom I'd say it's close in sound to the Shure SE535 (which is a weak sounding IEM imho) and the Final Audio FI-BA-SB.  Those three have different colorations but perform at the same level, especially the SE535 and the custom, the FI-BA-SB is more engaging but also more sizzly in the highs, comparing these three comes down to preference.

 

I'd then rank the EX600/EX1000 at the next level, Shure SRH-940 slightly above them (but close), and the ATH-A2000X a decent step above everything! 

 

 

 

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Not sure about the demoing sequence in your 'phones marathon' yesterday, but I do know that at different times of day, specially depending on the amount of noise and/or music I've been exposed to, I hear things (quite) differently - there's such a thing as noise/music overload.

 
FWIW, I find both EX1000 & EX600 very very closely related, sounding very much alike. Like I said sometime ago, I find the EX1000 to sound roughly 10% better than the EX600, making the latter an exceptionally good phone for the price. I really think even a 10% SQ difference would be hard for some to hear.

 


Yes, the sequential order in which I listened to everything may have had a slight impact, actually I heard the EX600 first and thought all the fun was ruined, anyway that wasn't the case, would have been nice to hear it last though.


I posted the sequential order in my ck10 thread, which I'll update soon.  Yes I got a slight music overload you're correct, but the differences in gear are far apart enough that I think each listening session was valid except for the EX600 and EX1000 since they are the only ones that are not very far apart.

 

I'm trying to keep the sound of every phone I heard intact in my mind, I'll write the EX600/EX1000 impressions now before I forget, I wanted to post pictures but oh well.

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The EX1000 sounds like driving a Rolls-Royce, then walking a red-carpet to a candle-lit dinner and applying soft butter to fresh bread.

 

The EX600 sounds like driving a Jaguar in the rain, with some trance on the radio, then pulling over to get a hamburger.

 

I found the EX1000 sounds very highly refined and romantic, compared to the EX600 it has a slightly more envoloping sound-stage, however it also had a slightly more disconnected sound, like a very thin satin veil, the EX600 was a bit more clear-cut in this sense.

 

I'm not sure which had better detail retrieval or resolution, I can't say that, but on the EX1000 (in a quieter setting btw) I quite clearly heard the screen of my Teclast T51 flickering while the screen was on (it turns off after 6s). I usually don't hear that at all, however I suppose that's more of a technical aspect (driver material, sensitivity), but interesting nonetheless.

 

I recall thinking the EX1000 is VERY refined, however with some tracks on the EX600 I could pick up certain details in the music I hadn't heard before, along the lines of decay, bells, some synthetic sounds, and positioning.

 

If the EX1000 and EX600 were called the EX1 and EX2, and both priced at $300, then for my tastes in music I think I'd almost take the EX2 home, but for lovers of jazz and classical I think they'd prefer the EX1.  The EX600 was more captivating and I didn't want to press "next" on my Teclast T51, the EX1000 was more of a marvel that an IEM can sound romantically refined like that, but not quite as fresh, involving, or rhythmical as the EX600, at least as far as my sonic preference and the music I enjoy is concerned.

 

In summary if I had to rate them I'd rate the EX1000 as a 5% increase in sound quality over the EX600, and a 10%-15% side-step difference in signature.  I think the latest Sony engineers have done exceptionally well in targeting the correct audience, they made a Rolls-Royce for the Hi-Fi aficionados, and a Jaguar for the radio yuppies.

 

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A few more blunt summaries of my Hi-Fi experience yesterday.

 

1. custom IEM's are overrated (lol)

 

2. portable amps are overrated, I used a $628 portable tube amplifier!

 

3. headphones are underrated!  The Shure SRH-940 and ATH-A2000X exceeded my expectations.

 

My new (purely value oriented) recommendations to anyone are. - $150 - Sony EX600 | $300 - Shure SRH-940 | $500 - ATH-A2000X.  As I posted in the Z1000 thread, I feel there is very little diminishing return in the A2000X, perhaps none at all (for me) considering how it sounds, and a completely incoherent diminishing return in the $1000+ 3-driver custom IEM I tried.

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P.S. A few more impressions to come in the near future (not demo, possession) - Ety ER-4PT, RE0, Yulong U100 Dac/Amp, ATH-A2000X headphone, Sony X1051 DAP, Radius DDM2(demo), RE252, Sensaphonics J-phonic, EX600.

 

 

 

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How much would it come to? I was aware of this but the price was still more than in the Net?
 

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LOL, talk about bad timing. If you had came over Singapore earlier for the past few days before 31st July, you could have enjoyed a 20% discount off for all Sony IEMs/headphones when you purchase at the official SonyStyle Gallery outlets here, which includes the one at Sim Lim Square (the one you visited in one of your previous visits as you mentioned).

 

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