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post #121 of 2984

Hmmm. The second ridge on the EX1000 nozzle definitely looks like it's supposed to actually stop tips being slipped on any further than it, due to it's shape.

post #122 of 2984

Wouldn't regular silicone tips automatically go to that position? Usually with earphones that have that kind of tip stopper thing the tips usually go over it and past it until the end of the nozzle..for me at least

 

I wish these dynamics had easier fit and better isolation :P I can't really consider any of them until they have that.

post #123 of 2984

Indeed, it's rather sad that great sounding IEMs like the EX1000, FX700, DDM, etc have so many flaws in usability, wearing comfort, and/or isolation. Why can't anyone make a "proper" top notch dynamic IEM? :p

 

Of course the drivers in those IEMs are somewhat larger than average, but something like the IE8 or Atrio housing would be really nice, paired with the EX/FX/DDM sound quality.

post #124 of 2984
Thread Starter 

I don't agree that the EX1000 have "so many flaws". Granted, it took me longer than average to figure out the right fit and I couldn't get a seal with stock tips, but issues like that aren't limited to dynamics. Once I had them resolved the Sonys turned out to be very comfortable, extremely light to the point where I would forget they are there, and very easy to put on and off. I suspect those who find them uncomfortable may be having seal issues and are trying to push them in too far.

 

For me the single weakness that remains is isolation, but that's due to their vents. But in return you get a spectacular soundstage. The Atrios had good isolation but their soundstage was pathetic. The IE8 have a generous soundstage, but they sound pretty distant compared to the Sonys and their isolation isn't that much better. I believe the tradeoff with dynamics is isolation vs. soundstage. Being kind of a soundstage junkie, I gladly sacrifice a bit of isolation for the EX1000's spatial presentation. YMMV.


Edited by james444 - 3/18/11 at 9:01am
post #125 of 2984

 



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Originally Posted by SpecR1 View Post

cn11, regarding your post about pushing the tips in further.

 

Does anyone remember how the EX1000s came out of the box? I'm pretty sure factory installed they were only pushed to the second lip.


 

That's a good point, and unfortunately I can't recall! But in looking at their instructions I get the impression from the diagram that they want you to twist it down over that second lip. As soon as I got mine, since I know medium tips are usually too small, I just went right to the larges. Anyway, I can't detect any sonic differences at all between the two tip positions, so it's totally up to the user for which achieves a better fit since these can be rather finicky. I don't mean to imply that I'm having a horrible time with fit at all... just minor tweaks to their sitting in my ears periodically. But I think I recently found a method of squeezing the ear loops front to back around my ears which helps keep them more securely in place. So I'm slowly getting my wearing technique down pat, thankfully.  

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by cn11 - 3/18/11 at 9:06am
post #126 of 2984
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

I don't agree that the EX1000 have "so many flaws". Granted, it took me longer than average to figure out the right fit and I couldn't get a seal with stock tips, but issues like that aren't limited to dynamics. Once I had them resolved the Sonys turned out to be very comfortable, extremely light to the point where I would forget they are there, and very easy to put on and off. I suspect those who find them uncomfortable may be having seal issues and are trying to push them in too far.

 

For me the single weakness that remains is isolation, but that's due to their vents. But in return you get a spectacular soundstage. The Atrios had good isolation but their soundstage was pathetic. The IE8 have a generous soundstage, but they sound pretty distant compared to the Sonys and their isolation isn't that much better. I believe the tradeoff with dynamics is isolation vs. soundstage. Being kind of a soundstage junkie, I gladly sacrifice a bit of isolation for the EX1000's spatial presentation. YMMV.

James I had a listen to my uncles(rudi) EX1000 today and honestly I have never felt so enthusiastic about an IEM, I'm definitely going to get these, they sound so natural? Listening to rise against, everything just sounds right, it's like it's perfect and sounds just like it was intended too, listening to the TF10s now and the MDs they sound absoloute rubbish compared to the EX1000.

 

I know people say after you've heard top tier IEM's the more money you spend the less improvements you'll see, but i'll be amazed if someone says these are a bad sounding IEM

 

I agree with you that isolation is pretty bad though the sound just makes up for it. And I also agree with you that the EX1000 does not have many flaws, the only flaw I can think of is "speed" again this is only when listening to bands such as parkway drive, devildriver, I killed the prom queen etc, but for everything else these sound SOOOO GOOOD.

 

 

DEFINITELY MY NEXT PURCHASE!

post #127 of 2984
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

From those few who have heard both CK10 & CK100, there seem to be more who favour the latter. I certainly preferred the CK100, too, and at one point wasn't sure whether to keep that or my (until recently) all-time favourite universal, the UM3X. In the end I decided to keep the Westones. When I bought my CK10s they were sold the very next day, that's how unimpressed I was. I found the CK100 not only better than the CK10, but quite significantly so.


Music I had a listen to the UM3x and the EX1000 today while I only had about 15 minutes on each, the only thing I'd say the UM3x beats the EX1000 is speed and seperation, though this is only evident when listening to really "busy" songs such as Boneyards by parkway drive, though jamiroquai and rise against sounded soooo much better on the EX1000, I can't get over the fact at how good these sound, sony has really done it for me.

 

Bass wise I'd say impact they are about the same though the um3x sounds "artificial"? where as the ex1000 sounded so realistic and natural like it was just right.
 

 

post #128 of 2984



 

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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

I don't agree that the EX1000 have "so many flaws". Granted, it took me longer than average to figure out the right fit and I couldn't get a seal with stock tips, but issues like that aren't limited to dynamics. Once I had them resolved the Sonys turned out to be very comfortable, extremely light to the point where I would forget they are there, and very easy to put on and off. I suspect those who find them uncomfortable may be having seal issues and are trying to push them in too far.

 

For me the single weakness that remains is isolation, but that's due to their vents. But in return you get a spectacular soundstage. The Atrios had good isolation but their soundstage was pathetic. The IE8 have a generous soundstage, but they sound pretty distant compared to the Sonys and their isolation isn't that much better. I believe the tradeoff with dynamics is isolation vs. soundstage. Being kind of a soundstage junkie, I gladly sacrifice a bit of isolation for the EX1000's spatial presentation. YMMV.


Hmmm...

 

The headstage is more expansive on these than the IE8's, huh?  That intrigues me, as I, too, am a sounstage nut! 

 

BTW, if you get a chance, and are into speaker-based systems at all, give a Merlin speaker a listen.  Soundstage ga-lore!

 

Cheers.
 

 

post #129 of 2984
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Originally Posted by dfkt View Post

Indeed, it's rather sad that great sounding IEMs like the EX1000, FX700, DDM, etc have so many flaws in usability, wearing comfort, and/or isolation. Why can't anyone make a "proper" top notch dynamic IEM? :p


Maybe that's why they make the MG6Pro?

 

Btw, how would you guys compare the timbre of the EX1000 to the FX700's wood driver?

 


Edited by Anaxilus - 3/18/11 at 10:24am
post #130 of 2984

is this legit??

 

http://www.amatteroffax.com/itempagey_invid_1367422443_d_sony-accessories-2010-earphones-mdr-ex1000-ex-mon.html

 

Cheapest I've seen them to date..

post #131 of 2984
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Originally Posted by matto View Post

is this legit??

 

http://www.amatteroffax.com/itempagey_invid_1367422443_d_sony-accessories-2010-earphones-mdr-ex1000-ex-mon.html

 

Cheapest I've seen them to date..


I dunno but they don't have any verified payment or apparent customer protection.  Apparently it's hard to post a photo of your own product too.

 

post #132 of 2984
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by matto View Post

James I had a listen to my uncles(rudi) EX1000 today and honestly I have never felt so enthusiastic about an IEM, I'm definitely going to get these, they sound so natural? Listening to rise against, everything just sounds right, it's like it's perfect and sounds just like it was intended too, listening to the TF10s now and the MDs they sound absoloute rubbish compared to the EX1000.

 

I know people say after you've heard top tier IEM's the more money you spend the less improvements you'll see, but i'll be amazed if someone says these are a bad sounding IEM

 

I agree with you that isolation is pretty bad though the sound just makes up for it. And I also agree with you that the EX1000 does not have many flaws, the only flaw I can think of is "speed" again this is only when listening to bands such as parkway drive, devildriver, I killed the prom queen etc, but for everything else these sound SOOOO GOOOD.

 

 

DEFINITELY MY NEXT PURCHASE!


Enthusiastic is the right word, I felt exactly the same way right from the first listen. I've never felt the urge with any of my other IEMs before to post a review only after one week, not even with the FI-BA-SS. But with these Sonys I felt I had to get the word out. Probably similar to what cn11 felt when he said "others need to hear them!!". I also agree with you on speed, though the EX1000 are actually pretty fast for DDs, but DDs just can't keep up with dynamics when it comes to speed. Yet ultimate speed and naturalness don't go along well, so it's a double-edged sword.

 

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Originally Posted by AudioDwebe View Post

Hmmm...

 

The headstage is more expansive on these than the IE8's, huh?  That intrigues me, as I, too, am a sounstage nut! 

 

BTW, if you get a chance, and are into speaker-based systems at all, give a Merlin speaker a listen.  Soundstage ga-lore!

 

Cheers.


Not really sure which one's more expansive, but they're certainly in the same league. But the IE8's imaging is more distant and the EX1000 puts you closer to the stage while offering similarly huge space. Definitely recommended for soundstage nuts! smile_phones.gif

 

Thanks for the tip, I have to check out those Merlin speakers some day. Contrary to IEMs I've been content with my Hans Deutsch speakers for ages, but who knows... wink.gif

 

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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

Maybe that's why they make the MG6Pro?

 

Btw, how would you guys compare the timbre of the EX1000 to the FX700's wood driver?


I'm really interested in the MG6Pro, but still a bit sceptic whether they're such a huge improvement over the Atrios to keep up with the EX1000. Moreover, from what I've gathered they also need to be vented for best soundstage. There you go, dynamic drivers...

 

Regarding timbre, my comparison is in post #1, but I believe you were addressing the other guys?


Edited by james444 - 3/18/11 at 1:06pm
post #133 of 2984

Does Sony still only offer a 90 day warranty on their headphones? 90 day warranty on an iem this expensive is a huge problem for me.

post #134 of 2984
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Originally Posted by jleewach View Post

Does Sony still only offer a 90 day warranty on their headphones? 90 day warranty on an iem this expensive is a huge problem for me.



I'm pretty sure it's 1 Year warranty though have a look on the sony website to confirm it.

post #135 of 2984

 


I'm really interested in the MG6Pro, but still a bit sceptic whether they're such a huge improvement over the Atrios to keep up with the EX1000.

Guess you'll just have to loan me your EX1000, so I can make a proper comparison!
 

 

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