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post #91 of 225

After reading this thread and some of the threads over on Steve Hoffman Music Forums (SHMF) I decided to pick up an SCD-XA5400ES as a back up for my aging Sony SACD players.  I got it from J&R over the phone for $1100 which is very reasonable (I have to pay tax, but I trust J&R, I bought my Sony SCD-1 and a couple of TV's from them, all have been great).  This brings to four my ES gear:

 

TC-KA3ES cassette deck (1996) - still works (or at least it did the last time I used it which is probably over a year ago),

 

DVP-S9000ES CD/SACD/DVD player (2001) - still works, I used this as my fist SCAD player for about 6 months, then as my DVD player for about 8 yeaars (recently replaced by an OPPO BDP-83) and now I plan to use it in my home office system as a CD/SACD player,

 

SCD-1 (2001) - still works, this beast is the principle digital source in my main stereo system, mostly used as an SACD player,

 

SCD-XA5400ES (2011) - Just bought (will have it tomorrow), my main reason for this player is as a back-up should either the SCD-1 or DVP-S9000ES fail.  I will probably compare this and the 9000ES to see which I like the best and use the winner in my home office system and keep the other as a spare.  Recent threads over in SHMF discuss the problems of getting spare parts and repairs for units such as the SCD-1 and to a lesser extent the DVP-S9000ES.  The 5400ES is a safe guard for being without a high quality Sony SACD player.  Will report back when I get the 5400ES set up and going.     

post #92 of 225
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Originally Posted by Tony Plachy View Post

After reading this thread and some of the threads over on Steve Hoffman Music Forums (SHMF) I decided to pick up an SCD-XA5400ES as a back up for my aging Sony SACD players.  I got it from J&R over the phone for $1100 which is very reasonable (I have to pay tax, but I trust J&R, I bought my Sony SCD-1 and a couple of TV's from them, all have been great).  This brings to four my ES gear:

 

TC-KA3ES cassette deck (1996) - still works (or at least it did the last time I used it which is probably over a year ago),

 

DVP-S9000ES CD/SACD/DVD player (2001) - still works, I used this as my fist SCAD player for about 6 months, then as my DVD player for about 8 yeaars (recently replaced by an OPPO BDP-83) and now I plan to use it in my home office system as a CD/SACD player,

 

SCD-1 (2001) - still works, this beast is the principle digital source in my main stereo system, mostly used as an SACD player,

 

SCD-XA5400ES (2011) - Just bought (will have it tomorrow), my main reason for this player is as a back-up should either the SCD-1 or DVP-S9000ES fail.  I will probably compare this and the 9000ES to see which I like the best and use the winner in my home office system and keep the other as a spare.  Recent threads over in SHMF discuss the problems of getting spare parts and repairs for units such as the SCD-1 and to a lesser extent the DVP-S9000ES.  The 5400ES is a safe guard for being without a high quality Sony SACD player.  Will report back when I get the 5400ES set up and going.     

 

 

Congrats on the XA5400ES.  I'm afraid that the SCD-1 will be downgraded to a back up status once your hear the XA5400ES has to offer in redbook & SACD.  SACD playback will still be very close, but the redbook should be noticably better on the XA5400ES.  The SCD-1's redbook section always sound a tad bright and thin to my ears, kindda remind me of how the Benchmark sounds.  I always love the SCD-1 and have owned it at least 3 times in stock to heavily upgraded.  Still, I let all them go after obtaining my Exemplar 5910.  IMO, the Exemplar 2900 (5910 little sister) redbook performance is considerably better sounding than on the SCD-1 and I believe the XA5400ES redbook playback is right there with the Exemplar 2900.
 

 

post #93 of 225
Thread Starter 
I like to hear your thoughts on how the SCD-1 compares to the 5400. I am on the fence on getting one.

What's this about the 5910?
post #94 of 225
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Originally Posted by DjAmTraX View Post

I like to hear your thoughts on how the SCD-1 compares to the 5400. I am on the fence on getting one.

What's this about the 5910?


I'm just saying that the 5400ES is a great sounding unit even next to my reference player the Exemplar Denon 5910.   The Exemplar comes up a lot when I talk about source b/c it is my favorite.  I bought mine used for little above 2.5K but it was around 8.5K when it first came out.   

post #95 of 225
Thread Starter 

I have a stock Denon 5910 and have not used it much because I don't really like how it sounds.  Perhaps I should looking into mods or just sell it.  Your thoughts?

post #96 of 225

I sold my SONY 707ESD last weekend.  Was sad to see it go.

 

post #97 of 225


 


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I sold my SONY 707ESD last weekend.  Was sad to see it go.

 

 

You probably did the right thing with all serviceable parts dried up.  I would not keep it either unless you have a stock laser as a spare.


 

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Originally Posted by DjAmTraX View Post

I have a stock Denon 5910 and have not used it much because I don't really like how it sounds.  Perhaps I should looking into mods or just sell it.  Your thoughts?


I think John charged over 5k to mod the 5910 3 to 4 years ago.  It comes up from time to time in Audiogon for around 2.5k to 3.0k.  Make sure to get one with balanced out.  If you want to mod the unit, Modwright does amazing work with the Sony XA5400ES according to many.

 

post #98 of 225

I just posted this mini review of the three SACD players I have over at http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?p=6462019#post6462019.  This thread was partially responsible for me getting the SCD-XA5400ES, so I thought I should follow up on how I like it.  I did this comparison with my main stereo system, I will do a comparison with my headphone amp and HD800's next.

 


 

FWIW, here is my first impressions of comparing the following three players when playing STEREO SACD: SCD-1, DVP-S9000ES and SCD-XA5400ES. I sould say right up front this was a very limited comparison, I hope to do more soon. I switched each player in and out of the exact same position in my main stereo system so each one saw the same power cord and the same interconnects. This meant I could not do very quick AB comparisons, however, I think this method produced the best apples to apples comparison. On each player everything (digital, video, XLR, HDMI) except the RCA out jacks was shut off. I used a Radio Shack analog SPL meter to be sure each payer was producing the same loudness. The SCD-1 and 9000 were identical in loudness and the 5400 required one unit of volume increase on my preamp. According to c-j one unit on the volume setting on my P16 LS is 0.7 dB, so I think the units were matched very closely in the loudness they produced. The measured SPL peaked at 78 dB with one burst to slightly over 80 dB. This is about 4 to 5 dB louder than I normally listen, but I wanted to be sure the volume was loud enough that the system's sound was very open and not muted in any way.

As I said this was a very limited comparison based on just one song. The SACD that I used is Aja and the song is Deacon Blues. As you have already guessed the SACD I am using is from Universal Japan and this is the SHM-SACD released only in Japan, but can be obtained from some US vendors as well as places like cdjapan. This is one of mine and my wife's favorite albums, I have several vinyl versions and I have been playing the SACD about once a week for 4 or 5 months now. I would say I am very familiar with this music. There are four main musical elements in this song: the lead guitar, the sax solos, the band and singers as a group and finally the drums.

First, all three players produced a big and realistic sound stage in both width and depth. All three plays produced excellent images with space (or some people call this air) around each of the instruments. Tonal quality of each of the players was excellent and very musical.

Second, To something like 99%+ the SCD-1 and the DVP-S9000ES sounded identical. I would really be splitting hairs to try to describe any difference I heard between these two players.

Third, I did hear a noticeable (but small) and repeatable difference between the SCD-XA5400ES and the other two players. I cannot explain what causes this difference, but it is there. The 5400 makes the lead guitar appear to be more forward in the sound stage and just a touch louder than the other two players and the other two players produce a firmer, stronger and more realistic acoustic image of the drums than the 5400 does. It was almost as if I was listening to a slightly different mix of the song when I switched to the 5400. Now above I said the first two players were 99%+ identical. I would say that the 5400 and the other two players are 95%+ identical. This difference I hear in the 5400 is not a huge "oh wow" difference, these three players are very close in the sound that they produce.

There is one thing I could not control in this comparison and it must be mentioned here. I estimate that my SCD-1 has 2000 to 3000 hours on it (if anyone knows if and how I can get a readout on it of playing hours please let me know through a PM) and that my 9000 has about 1000 playing hours on it. On the other hand the 5400 has about 25 hours on it, so there may be some change in its sound as it gets more playing hours.

I want say that I think all three of these players are excellent SACD players and anyone who has one of these payers as a source component should be very happy to have such a good SACD player. I do almost all of my use of this type of player listening to SACD's, however, when I get the chance I will do a redbook CD comparison on them. Hope to post more later.

 

post #99 of 225

Thanks for your initial impression.  Please post back when you have allowed the 5400ES a proper break in period.  IMO, audio difference are harder to discern in a speaker system.  Please, let us know the results b/w the three players via your headphone setup.  The HD800 should easily revealed those sonic deviations among the three players.

post #100 of 225
Thread Starter 
I think using a headphones amp and HD800 directly connected to the players may reveal more/less, perhaps more accurate. Please keep us posted.
post #101 of 225
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Originally Posted by DjAmTraX View Post

I think using a headphones amp and HD800 directly connected to the players may reveal more/less, perhaps more accurate. Please keep us posted.


I plan to do so, in my setup I will have to use the pass thru of my P16 LS preamp.  It is a pure pass thru, the volume control of the preamp is not in the circuit path so the signal will go from the player, to the pass thru, to my Earmax AE, and to the HD 800's.  It means there is an extra interconnect run from the pass thru to the Earmax, but this will be constant for each of the players.  All of my interconnects are Kimber Select and the 800's have a Cardas cable. 

 

post #102 of 225
Thread Starter 
A sad week. Both my CDP-XA7es (single disc) & CDP-C89es (5 disc) died. I am gonna send the CDP-XA7es to Sony for repair, but the CDP-C89es may go to the trash bin. Too bad because it's MINT condition.
post #103 of 225
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Originally Posted by DjAmTraX View Post

A sad week. Both my CDP-XA7es (single disc) & CDP-C89es (5 disc) died. I am gonna send the CDP-XA7es to Sony for repair, but the CDP-C89es may go to the trash bin. Too bad because it's MINT condition.


Sorry to hear about both units especially the XA7ES.  If the cause of the problem is bad optical laser, you may have to say bye to the unit forever as the optical block is no longer available.  I once had the exact same problem with the CDP-X707ES and Sony couldn't repair them.  You may look into a lesser model with the same optical block for part though.

post #104 of 225

Was all the SONY ES range made in Japan ?

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Originally Posted by Albinoni View Post

Was all the SONY ES range made in Japan ?



I think at one time it was, however, the SCD-XA5400ES that I just bought recently is made in Malaysia 

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