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This may not be the correct place for this but can somebody please give me a broad and quick explanation of what the differences are between a source, an amp, and a dac?? A source would be like my Zune, or receiver, right? But if my receiver is an amp technically can somebody please explain the difference? Is it just that what I would buy is dedicated to headphones? I'm confused as to how all of this connects and what is necessary for a beginner and what isn't.



A source is your Zune/receiver but also includes the quality of music. Most people here will recommend 320kbps, but that's wasted space. V0 quality is capable of reaching 320kbps, but only when necessary, thus maintaining the same quality as 320, but saving more space. If your receiver is an amp, then it does what any other amp would do which is power headphones/speakers that need it. A DAC is generally found with an amp and takes the digital signal sent from a computer or digital audio player (DAP) into an analog signal that then reaches your headphones. Certain DAC's produce different tones/clarity. Your receiver won't have a DAC though since it's intended for CD players, or other things already with a DAC to plug into it. 

 

As to what you need? Nothing but your headphones. As to what you'll want? Well that all depends on how happy you are with your sound from your headphones and if you want to get a "better" sound. Going from my iPod to headphones directly sounded fine to be honest. Eventually I wanted to see what was available out there, so I bought the E7, and the FiiO L3 LOD (which is the line out dock of your Zune/iPod) which I noticed a tad bit better sound quality overall. Was it worth the $85? I don't know honestly, but it does increase the listening experience for me.

 

As for your Ad700 unless you want to use them as a beater pair or something to lend friends, then sell them here for $80 or so, depending on Amazon prices, and put that money towards an Amp/DAC if you want.

 

Thanks so much for the info, this definitely clears up my misconceptions, I wasn't aware that the source also included the quality of the sound file, which I have definitely noticed with some of my music, like fuzzy background noises that make a song unenjoyable.. Although it is pleasing to know that my headphones are quality enough to point out these inaccuracies unlike previous earbuds/headphones
 

post #17 of 26
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new goal in life, own a pair of Ad2000's eventually, maybe I'll end up owning the entire "Air Dynamic Series" haha

post #18 of 26

Most important is in fact that your music files are 320kbps or above. As the old saying goes, "you can't polish a turd."

post #19 of 26
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So does a standard CD achieve 320 kbps? if not where can i find music files that are at that rate?

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So does a standard CD achieve 320 kbps? if not where can i find music files that are at that rate?


The bit rate depends from album to album, but most CDs are around 800-1000kbps. 320kbps is a form of compression. FLAC is where the album is ripped as it is on the CD with no compression.

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The bit rate depends from album to album, but most CDs are around 800-1000kbps.

 

Huh? I thought CD's bitrate was all same since they're uncompressed. It's 700MB/80min.

 

and Flac... it's lossless compression, but still compressed.

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The bit rate depends from album to album, but most CDs are around 800-1000kbps.

 

Huh? I thought CD's bitrate was all same since they're uncompressed. It's 700MB/80min.

 

and Flac... it's lossless compression, but still compressed.


I am just judging by the bi trate section on my Foobar. Most sit in the 800-1000kbps range, but some are less. You're probably right though. In regards to FLAC, I was trying to keep it simpler for him.

post #23 of 26

320kbps is wasted space compared to V0 as I said. I would bet 99% of audiophiles couldn't ABX V0 from lossless, let alone V0 from 320kbps. Anyone who says they can ABX V0 and 320 is a downright liar or has supermans ears. In regards to cd bitrate, CDs are wav which is a flat 1,411KBps.

 

The best way to ensure quality is to rip your own cds using EAC (there are tutorials to rip in FLAC) then transcode the FLAC to V0, or to find a site that caters to quality. There are a few torrents sites, but they are invite only.

 

Edit: For those who want to argue 320 vs V0, first off you're already using a lossy format, you obviously aren't that caught up on having the highest fidelity available as it is. V0 is transparent as is 320. If they both are transparent, why take up extra space per track? If that doesn't convince you, think of it like this: Wav is the equivalent to 320kbps in the lossless world. It's a constance 1411kbps, much like 320kbps is a constant 320kbps. Flac is the equivalent of V0 in the lossless world. Flac is compressed slightly while maintaining the same fidelity of Wav, in exactly the same fashion that V0 does to mp3 files. The same quality, but smaller space because it's encoded smarter.

post #24 of 26

^Right.

 


 

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CDs are wav which is a flat 1,411KBps.

 


 I know it's picky of me and it is commonly (though mistakenly) used in both ways but k used to refer kilo is lower case and b in bit is also lower case. k does not make confusions but b does as B means byte and b means bit. Just letting others know if they didn't.

post #25 of 26
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So keanex, is it common to get invited to said torrent sites that cater to quality? If not, what is the best way for a beginner such as myself to obtain high fidelity files??

post #26 of 26

If you know how to torrent, or are at least willing to learn shoot me a PM and I'll help you out ;)

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