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Absolutely.

 

When using glider tips my ER4S sound completely different than their intended 100% deep insertion / sealed sound with triple flange or Etyomotic foam. They provide a rather bright presentation, with surprisingly nice amount of air and lot of crisp detail, especially micro detail, the note weight is much lighter. Also offers the best soundstage width. I use ER4S this way with Matrix M-Stage desktop amp, its also this pairing which provides high coherency levels and separation.

 

I can't say this is exactly how the ER4S should sound for most though I really enjoy them this way and would go as far to say using this combination of tips, amp would be close as possible turning ER4S into a full-size headphone presentation. (within the possible boundaries of reason). Its quite unique and excellent for hearing ER4S in another light, especially the micro details.

 

And the comfort far surpasses any other Etymotic tip option,.


Glider tips are intended to be inserted as deep as the triple flanges or foamies and will sound very similar. I think you'd get the same effect with the orther tips incorrectly inserted. The same goes for custom sleeves, where the tip cannot be inserted deep enough.


Really? Do the gliders go in that far? I've never tried to force them, but that sounds impossible with my ears. lol and I wear triple flange deeper than most.

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Really? Do the gliders go in that far? I've never tried to force them, but that sounds impossible with my ears. lol and I wear triple flange deeper than most.

I'm a bit skeptical about it as well. I never got to insert the glider tips that deep, and fear that they might be blocked in the ear canal if I try to do it. I can only achieve at inserting them half way in, making the ER•4 look like TripleFi since they stick out so much haha. Besides I find the "vacuum effect" of the gliders to be just way too uncomfortable. Also the most claustrophobic tips IMHO. Other than that, agree on the comments about sound presentation, but I have yet to try a tip that offers (on the ER•4) a combo comparable to Shure's olives: supreme comfort, great isolation and sound.
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Really? Do the gliders go in that far? I've never tried to force them, but that sounds impossible with my ears. lol and I wear triple flange deeper than most.

 

With some slight lubrication (a dap of water or spit applied to the tip) glider tips do insert up inside the second bend of my canal. Though I wouldn't call it forced entry or tight fitting like foam or triple flange. They slide inside this section then kind of bottom out or hit an area inside the second bend which doesn't allow them to go any further. I can feel the canal seal around the tips though there's no compression or feeling the tip squash together inside the canal. From my experience its quite a different sound, akin to a Grado headphone.

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Really? Do the gliders go in that far? I've never tried to force them, but that sounds impossible with my ears. lol and I wear triple flange deeper than most.
They do, but it's a painful experience. I tried only with HF5, though.
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Really? Do the gliders go in that far? I've never tried to force them, but that sounds impossible with my ears. lol and I wear triple flange deeper than most.


The gliders are just foam with smaller air pockets and will compress just as much. I find they live up to their name and a slow and steady insertion will get the Etys to the required depth. If this method doesn't work for you, try squashing them first as you would with regular foamies.

I find them to be the most comfortable tip by a long way.

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measuring the tips on hf5, I could get like 2 big families of signatures. but that was obviously not inside a real ear, and I was focused on trying to get the same signature by changing the insertion depth to see if it was possible, so I don't really remember how deep was each tip sorry. still I did get something similar to silicon tips with the gliders at some point.

but let's not kid ourselves, moving 1mm away from some ideal position will end up with several db change at some point in the trebles, so IMO the exercise is to find a tip that naturally comes in a place where you don't get some nasty 7-8khz resonance(at least that's where I have them from trying test tones on all etys, mostly that happens when I don't go deep enough), and some actual bass. the rest is just too insertion dependent for me to believe I can even get the same sound in both ears, let alone a consistent insertion that would come from a physical limit.

and any signature you end up with could be EQed TBH, so the main job really is to find consistent way to insert them using whatever tip, and pray that it will be comfortable enough and will not move while you sweat and move your jaw.

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Somehow the glider tips just never work for me. I still prefer my ER4 with my triple flange tips although they're not the most compfortable.

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