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post #4636 of 4810

My ER-4PTs arrived last night.  Sold by Etymotic, but fulfilled by Amazon.  Yep, the P to S converter cable is included.

 

More later.  :)

post #4637 of 4810

I guess I believe in a hint of break-in with headphones.  Not 100 hours with a special white noise burn-in track to align all the electrons in the copper cable, maybe just 10 hours of rock n roll.  Work the drivers a bit before doing the serious listening.

 

So I toss in a Judas Priest CD (Best Of: Living After Midnight) and put the player on repeat all.  Lots of highs, lots of lows, lots of screaming guitars to really work the system.  But I have to make sure the volume is set at a good level, right?  So I put the Etymotics ER4-PTs in.  Using the three flange tips that come on them from the factory, I put them in and encountered the best isolation I have ever experienced.*  It was like being underwater.  So quiet, so far removed from outside noises.  

 

For what it's worth, I used the P to S adapter and the 1/4 connector. I set the volume on my Asgard 2 and went to remove the ER4s, and that's when I noticed the music.  Now Judas Priest is probably not anyone's idea of an audiophile reference CD, but holy @#$! the sound was incredible.  Amazing.  Track 3 is a live version of "Breaking The Law."  The bass on this track is a deep, throbbing, continuous assault on your ears (and entire body if you have a sub), and I love it.  The ER4s nailed it.  Deep, powerful bass, and lots of it.

 

So I wound up listening to the whole CD and I am already super happy with these headphones, without a hint of break-in.  These rock right out of the box.  I was hearing detail I've never heard before.  Music like this can sometimes be overly bright but I didn't have any problems with that.  The highs were high and clear and just about perfect.  Vocals, well, they sounded great as well but this is not exactly the type of music for vocals.  Soundstaging- the crowd noise on some of the live tracks- was quite wide and expansive.  Some of the clapping and shouting sounded out of ear, which is a neat trick for in ear headphones.

 

Now to throw my usual, more beautiful reference tracks at these headphones.  I can't wait to see how my favorite songs sound.  Overall I am super impressed.  Well worth the $299.

 

 

 

 

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*To compare isolation, I own HiFiMan Re-Zero IEMs, Shure SRH840 closed cans, and MrSpeakers Mad Dog closed 'phones.  The Etymotics are the best isolating, by far.  I'm not knocking the sealing ability other headphones, just trying to say that the ER4s REALLY excel in this area.    

post #4638 of 4810
Yes, the Etys isolate better than anything I've tried, even customs.

Glad you are enjoying them.
post #4639 of 4810

They are amazing.  I bought them mostly for music but I can't wait to try them out on some atmospheric 1st person PC games.  My gaming computer is a little loud but these headphones should seal out the sound of the fans, and then some.  :)

post #4640 of 4810

So I'm a hair closer to pulling the trigger on Shure Olive tips. Seriously, my eyes start watering whenever I rape my ears with the tri flange tips.

 

Except for two factors that hold me back when buying these:

1) They're $15 a pair, these tips apparently last 3 months. I don't know how I feel about paying quad monthly listening subscriptions for my ER4S.

2) I don't want the sound signature to be changed on the ER4S at all if I were change tip types.. Except maybe a hair bass boost, I'd like mids/treble/soundstage/instrument separation untouched.
 

post #4641 of 4810
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So I'm a hair closer to pulling the trigger on Shure Olive tips. Seriously, my eyes start watering whenever I rape my ears with the tri flange tips.

Except for two factors that hold me back when buying these:


1) They're $15 a pair, these tips apparently last 3 months. I don't know how I feel about paying quad monthly listening subscriptions for my ER4S.


2) I don't want the sound signature to be changed on the ER4S at all if I were change tip types.. Except maybe a hair bass boost, I'd like mids/treble/soundstage/instrument separation untouched.

 

Have you tried cutting off the smallest flange?
post #4642 of 4810
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Have you tried cutting off the smallest flange?



I don't think I can afford to test cutting out the smallest flange. I mean, if I cut it off, and the sound changes/there's no seal, I can't undo the change.

post #4643 of 4810
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Have you tried cutting off the smallest flange?



I don't think I can afford to test cutting out the smallest flange. I mean, if I cut it off, and the sound changes/there's no seal, I can't undo the change.
I probably shouldn't say this, but i feel it only helps their image...

If you cut it off and it doesn't help you can call etymotic and let them know what you did and ask for a single set of replacement tips. I can't speak on their behalf, but I'm pretty sure they'll send you a set at no cost. They've done similar things for me with no questions. They are extremely awesome there. That's something to be said about buying from a good company.
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I probably shouldn't say this, but i feel it only helps their image...

If you cut it off and it doesn't help you can call etymotic and let them know what you did and ask for a single set of replacement tips. I can't speak on their behalf, but I'm pretty sure they'll send you a set at no cost. They've done similar things for me with no questions. They are extremely awesome there. That's something to be said about buying from a good company.



Right. So let's pretend that both of us have the same hearing and this will work. How's the isolation? I plan to go out shooting some concert videos and every bit helps.

I probably shouldn't have said that in the previous post in regards to not being able to replace the tips, I was willing to buy new sets of tips anyway.

post #4645 of 4810
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I mean, if I cut it off, and the sound changes/there's no seal, I can't undo the change.
been there, done that, not a good idea. The seal is ok with tip cut off, but resonance shifted by a lot, and overall doesn't sound right.
post #4646 of 4810

Well cutting off the smallest flange seems to have ups and downs.
Due to the way my ears were shaped, I think it congested the tips, also congesting the bass and soundstage.

Indeed they widened, but the tip was unprotected and often poked my ears.

I didn't like it and proceeded to use the white tips. I should have used these before. Even though they expand my ear canal, they actually seemed to have balanced out the bass and seal.
Now I know what the complaints are in regards to a grain ear tip.

Problem... solved?

post #4647 of 4810
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The 4P is 18 ohms in added resistance. The FitEar F111 is an ED-29689 without resistance added (and the horn, of course).

Yes, the the F111 makes sense.  It has the titanium horn and probably boosts the treble because of the resonance in the horn.  Somebody measured an iem with horn(not sure if it was metallic), and there were treble boost and extension.  Boost was erratic with dips and peaks, but it could have been poor measurement apparatus.

 

The horn on the F111 provides an efficient method of boosting the treble without added impedance in the path.  


Edited by SilverEars - 7/20/14 at 8:15am
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The 4P is 18 ohms in added resistance. The FitEar F111 is an ED-29689 without resistance added (and the horn, of course).
Yes, the the F111 makes sense.  It has the titanium horn and probably boosts the treble because of the resonance in the horn.  Somebody measured an iem with horn(not sure if it was metallic), and there were treble boost and extension.  Boost was erratic with dips and peaks, but it could have been poor measurement apparatus.

The horn on the F111 provides an efficient method of boosting the treble without added impedance in the path.  
The horn actually smooths the treble in essence. It helps eliminate resonances caused by different insertion depths usually encountered by acting as an impedance transformer.

http://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2013/06/suyama-fit-ear-f111.html?m=1
Edited by luisdent - 7/20/14 at 8:39am
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The horn actually smooths the treble in essence. It helps eliminate resonances caused by different insertion depths usually encountered by acting as an impedance transformer.

http://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2013/06/suyama-fit-ear-f111.html?m=1

Where does it say this?  He mentioned the horn raising the treble, but don't see where he mentions smoothing of the treble from the horn material.  I wasn't taking about resonance of insertion deph, I'm talking about the material of the horn.

post #4650 of 4810
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The horn actually smooths the treble in essence. It helps eliminate resonances caused by different insertion depths usually encountered by acting as an impedance transformer.

http://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2013/06/suyama-fit-ear-f111.html?m=1

Where does it say this?  He mentioned the horn raising the treble, but don't see where he mentions smoothing of the treble from the horn material.  I wasn't taking about resonance of insertion deph, I'm talking about the material of the horn.

I know. I was explaining that the erratic measurement shouldn't be from the horn, as it does the opposite to the treble:

 

"By gradually changing the diameter of a connecting tube, and hence its impedance, there is a more gradual transition from the high impedance receiver to the low impedance canal, and hence less power is reflected...Consequently, the response is less peaky, resulting in improved sound quality."

 

Less peaky = smoother treble.

 

"Such technique is extremely useful for taming high frequency peaks/amplifying the treble acoustically at the same time..."

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