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post #4156 of 4659
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Originally Posted by OJNeg View Post
 

Well, I can't say my experience gels with those plots. To my ears, the ~8k-ish peak is there regardless of insertion depth. The peak above that (10-13k) is most likely a measurement/coupling artifact, because I don't hear it. Or at least not to that degree. I don't hear much "air" or high treble with the ER4S regardless.

 

I hear the ER4S more like the InnerFidelity plots to be honest (similar to the headroom). The 2k bump doesn't bother me so much with the ER4S; guessing it matches well with my HRTF or whatever. 8k peak is there, but the treble is still fairly smooth despite it. Bass deficiency is there, but I feel it manifests itself more as a lack of "punch" rather than an outright lack of volume.

 

You could try just the bass point I use.  See how it affects the bass for you.  Can i ask how deep you wear them?  Perhaps a photo? :)  Have you followed rins suggestion to see if you are at the proper depth? http://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2010/05/how-deep-do-you-insert-you-er4.html  It can be hard for some people to get there, and sometimes it seems that they are deeper than they really are.  Just some thoughts...

post #4157 of 4659

yeah trust me, it's not my insertion depth. Looking in the mirror, the whole of the ER4's body as well as the tip of the connector are vanished. If these have to go any deeper, than I don't want to find out. :wink_face:

 

Great thing is that the ER4 responds very well to EQ like you mentioned. Probably why you like them so much for monitoring. And the lack of bass definitely isn't from the driver running out of steam. You can turn these bad boys into some bass monsters (w/o the distortion) with the right EQ.

post #4158 of 4659
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Originally Posted by OJNeg View Post

yeah trust me, it's not my insertion depth. Looking in the mirror, the whole of the ER4's body as well as the tip of the connector are vanished. If these have to go any deeper, than I don't want to find out. wink_face.gif

Great thing is that the ER4 responds very well to EQ like you mentioned. Probably why you like them so much for monitoring. And the lack of bass definitely isn't from the driver running out of steam. You can turn these bad boys into some bass monsters (w/o the distortion) with the right EQ.
Oh, these things can pound bass if you know how to eq them. :-P. Clean, unadultered bass. Mmm haha
post #4159 of 4659

bass yes, sub bass/rumble is another matter. when used to +6db(the norm now?) up to +15db in bass/sub bass on your average IEM, I can't help but to find the er4 lacking in sub bass. and massive EQ in that region sounded detrimental to the rest when I tried to do it(EQing UP a lot is usually a bad thing anyway).

so I guess we get used to that sound and benefit from the crystal clear details, or go look for another IEM.

post #4160 of 4659

I totally agree with you castleofargh

post #4161 of 4659
Rumble isn't just related to sub bass quantity, but also to decay.
 
Like many BAs, the ER4S are a little too fast for their own good imo, and you can't correct that with EQ.
post #4162 of 4659
I completely agree. However, luckily, find my bass eq gives very good sub bass presence and only improves things personally. There is a point where more won't do better, and the bass just starts to sound flabby, but i haven't hit it yet without purposely exaggerating things.
Edited by luisdent - 3/21/14 at 4:33am
post #4163 of 4659

Here are two articles that you should all read:

 

Etymotic Research CUSTOM•FIT ear sleeves: An inconvenient truth?

 

How deep do you insert your ER4?

 

Basically, you probably won't get the accurate frequency response with custom fit and all CIEMs have the same problem. To get the proper frequency response you need to insert the IEM very deep to the 2nd bend in your ear.

 

 

 

Yellow line is shallow fit and green line is insertion to the 2nd bend.

post #4164 of 4659

Yes Dreyka, insertion certainly play a very important role. From my experience I need to insert my ER4PT to a certain depth to get that full balanced sound. In fact with the right insertion, I really don't find the bass lacking at all unless if you want the sub slam then I'd suggest going for something like the FitEar ToGo 334 instead but honestly, I find the ER4PT more balanced in sound signature whereas the ToGo 334 is more fun sounding with some low mid and bass coloration which makes it sound warmer and richer.


Edited by Francisk - 3/21/14 at 6:00am
post #4165 of 4659

Yes, changes to the ER4S's sound with custom tips are unfortunate. I had to learn that the hard way.

 

But again, I don't feel as if Rin's plots are indicative of how the sound changes. I am suspect of any high treble (>8k) resonances that appear in IEM measurements. I don't believe those resonances are in fact heard as measured. There are too many good IEMs (particularly customs) that show such resonances.

 

Rather, the biggest differences between switching from tri-flanges to the Ety customs (Microsonics) is the lack of bass. Lack of impact, lack of volume, and an overall thinness that is added to the sound. The changes to the treble performance are slight in comparison.

post #4166 of 4659
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Originally Posted by OJNeg View Post
 

Yes, changes to the ER4S's sound with custom tips are unfortunate. I had to learn that the hard way.

 

But again, I don't feel as if Rin's plots are indicative of how the sound changes. I am suspect of any high treble (>8k) resonances that appear in IEM measurements. I don't believe those resonances are in fact heard as measured. There are too many good IEMs (particularly customs) that show such resonances.

 

Rather, the biggest differences between switching from tri-flanges to the Ety customs (Microsonics) is the lack of bass. Lack of impact, lack of volume, and an overall thinness that is added to the sound. The changes to the treble performance are slight in comparison.

 

Those ~10Khz resonances are as a result of shallow insertion. CIEMs, which are all shallow insertion, will have those resonances though they may lower the frequency response in that region to try and account for this.

 

A thin sound and lack of bass impact would be as a result of an improper seal and not inserted deep enough. Many people have better luck with foam tips such as the Comply T-100. My problem with custom moulds is that they fit fine when they are cold but seal problems develop when worn for hours.

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Edited by luisdent - 3/21/14 at 8:58pm
post #4168 of 4659

Drekya, if you have customs tips with your Etys perhaps you could comment on any changes in perceived sound quality. Do you hear nasty treble resonances yourself? Do you think the differences are equivalent to boosting 10dB at 10k with the tri-flanges?

post #4169 of 4659

Do you have the EQ for the er4p with green filter @luisdent? (p.s:did i see you in XDA?)

post #4170 of 4659
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Do you have the EQ for the er4p with green filter @luisdent? (p.s:did i see you in XDA?)
I don't currently have an er4p. My er4 is the permanent s version. But i would say the best eq for the p is to use an s adapter. Haha wink.gif then apply my eq to that. :-P

and what is xda? The developer conference thing? Wouldn't have been me...
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