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post #3781 of 9955
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Originally Posted by pacman46 View Post

if I used the red filters form Knowles would that make them not as bright?

Yes, using red filters will make the sound less bright.

post #3782 of 9955
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Originally Posted by zowki View Post

Yes, using red filters will make the sound less bright.
that's awesome thank you buddy. .I've been listening for a while with the green filters and I'm starting to like the sound. It could be a less bright but wow everything is there. Details. .and sounding really good. But I'll try the reds and are how that works. .I think they were kinda blocked with wax and what not cause I can hear more now. .just not sure if that's how they sound when they were new cause I got them on a trade and they are a few years old so they were no doubt blocked with crude lol. Anyways thanks for your reply. .
post #3783 of 9955

fit for me has more to do with getting good sound then anything else and it is something i never seem to get consistent no matter how i try.  sometimes it is just awesome twinkly fresh and sometimes sounds behind a pillow.

post #3784 of 9955
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


Those aren't Klipsch, but I do recommend them over the Klipsch biflange unless you have small ears. I have relatively small ears and even the large Klipsch biflange were too small for me. The tips you just linked are the ones I use, and the ones I just recommended in the post above yours. They're just a little bigger than the large Klipsch biflange.

 

Received the Amazon large biflangers today. I could probably use half a size larger but they still works for me in an acceptable way. I think they are fairly close to the sound presentation that the Ety triple flanger offers  me but warmer sounding and maybe, as for right now, very slightly lacking  some of the ability to present detail/imaging. The comfort of the biflangers vs. the triple flangers seems to make up for this since I already by now feel that I can tolerate the biflangers many hours longer. Definitely worth trying out.. 

post #3785 of 9955

I don't think this is the issue, it sounds perfectly acceptable with the stock cable. Sometimes I do think I hear differences between the channels and, as you said, it's probably because of the fit (my right ear accommodates larger ear tips). How did you resolve this issue? I usually just adjust the insertion depth. Sometimes I worry that I've damaged the IEMs themselves after cable removal, since Etymotic did say it was very easy to do so.

 

It's good to see another ER-4 lover from Australia! :)

 

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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post
 


How long have you had your ER4? For me channel imbalance occurred from fitting issue, this took me a few days to understand how deeply ER4S needs to be inserted.

post #3786 of 9955

Thanks for the suggestion, although I already inadvertently checked this when I swapped the adapters around. Awkward as it seems, I think they may have sent me one P and one S version of the adapter.

 

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Originally Posted by zowki View Post
 


Did you connect the cables the correct way round? You might have inverted polarity. Try reversing the cable connections and check if you a hear a difference.

 

You can do a polarity test here:

http://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_polaritycheck.php

post #3787 of 9955
@shureThing

Being my first Etymotic product it took me many days to find the correct fitting, vocals were pulling to the right. I even considered buying a second pair as I thought they were faulty. I didn't understand just how deep ER4S need to be inserted and was missing the second bend in my left canal or pushing the tip opening against the canal blocking the sound partially. I asked the guys here who explained it was probably a fit issue, I still wasn't convinced, it was all very strange.

What I ended up doing was using a triple flange ety tip, dipped my fingers in a glass of water wetting it slighty then inserting gently while twisting and pushing, the tip found a section deep in my canal I'd never felt before (the 2nd bend) which felt rather strange going so deep at first. Sure enough the channel imbalance went away. I know where to aim the tip now. For me I line them up with very top of my canal and they shoot straight in with a twist. (keeping the housing straight)

Just practice I guess with different difficulty levels for each person.
Edited by H20Fidelity - 1/31/14 at 6:55pm
post #3788 of 9955
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post

Being my first Etymotic product it took me many days to find the correct fitting, vocals were pulling to the right. I even considered buying a second pair as I thought they were faulty. I didn't understand just how deep ER4S need to be inserted and was missing the second bend in my left canal or pushing the tip opening against the canal blocking the sound partially. I asked the guys here who explained it was probably a fit issue, I still wasn't convinced, it was all very strange.

What I ended up doing was using a triple flange ety tip, dipped my fingers in a glass of water wetting it slighty then inserting gently while twisting and pushing, the tip found a section deep in my canal I'd never felt before (the 2nd bend) which felt rather strange going so deep at first. Sure enough the channel imbalance went away. I know where to aim the tip now. For me I line them up with very top of my canal and they shoot straight in with a twist. (keeping the housing straight)

Just practice I guess with different difficulty levels for each person.

Great suggestion. I have had the Ety's since 2007 and for many years they did spend significant time away from me since I could not adjust to the pain when inserting them (triple's) so deeply and close to my eardrum to achieve their ultimate performance. Yet, I still have them.. because they are special! I even had a female artist to help me lubricate the right way, twist, turn and enter the deepest way which gave me an ultimate experience but it didn't last as long as I would have preferred..

post #3789 of 9955
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Originally Posted by Jupiterknight View Post
 

Great suggestion. I have had the Ety's since 2007 and for many years they did spend significant time away from me since I could not adjust to the pain when inserting them (triple's) so deeply and close to my eardrum to achieve their ultimate performance. Yet, I still have them.. because they are special! I even had a female artist to help me lubricate the right way, twist, turn and enter the deepest way which gave me an ultimate experience but it didn't last as long as I would have preferred..


Indeed.... Etymotics gone wild.

post #3790 of 9955

I have channel imbalance now and then.  Vocals seems like they're 30% to the left.  But every time it's because of my seal or something not matching in the right ear.  I remove the right tip and re-insert it playing with the seal until it matches.  You have to get a perfect seal, but you can't allow the seal to cause a great amount of suction.  If you do, you lost bass response and can get imbalance.  So get the tips to the full depth and wiggle them around in your ear carefully until they start equalizing pressure and then push them a tad if you need to get the full seal again.  That's what I do anyway.  Sometimes it's just a matter of waiting a minute or two for the pressure to equalize and they become balances.  This is true with many iems.

post #3791 of 9955
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post
 
Those aren't Klipsch, but I do recommend them over the Klipsch biflange unless you have small ears. I have relatively small ears and even the large Klipsch biflange were too small for me. The tips you just linked are the ones I use, and the ones I just recommended in the post above yours. They're just a little bigger than the large Klipsch biflange.

 

Could you take a photo of the tips you use next to the small and large ety tips for comparison?

post #3792 of 9955
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

Could you take a photo of the tips you use next to the small and large ety tips for comparison?

 

I can't take a picture right now or at least a decent one, but I will later on, maybe gnarlsagan will do it before I do..

 

The thing is that is not just the size that a photo will present because the triples may overall actually look smaller compared to the Amazon double flangers, but it is more the quality or feel of the silicon tips if this makes any sense and that a picture may not truly reveal.

 

The diametrical opening of the double flangers are slightly wider so that may affect the sound as well, but overall I feel they come close enough to retain the optimal sound of the Ety's with triple flangers combined with being more comfortable for long term use.

 

So, yes you might loose something, more or less, but then you gain an increased comfort. I can actually use the double flangers on one side and the a triple flanger on the other side and they sound very near similar but then again it doesn't mean that anyone else will have the same experience..different ears.

post #3793 of 9955

If anyone was remotely interested, you can also fit triple flanges with larger bore sizes on by stretching the stem of the tip onto the body of the ER-4 IEM itself.

post #3794 of 9955
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

I have channel imbalance now and then.  Vocals seems like they're 30% to the left.  But every time it's because of my seal or something not matching in the right ear.  I remove the right tip and re-insert it playing with the seal until it matches.  You have to get a perfect seal, but you can't allow the seal to cause a great amount of suction.  If you do, you lost bass response and can get imbalance.  So get the tips to the full depth and wiggle them around in your ear carefully until they start equalizing pressure and then push them a tad if you need to get the full seal again.  That's what I do anyway.  Sometimes it's just a matter of waiting a minute or two for the pressure to equalize and they become balances.  This is true with many iems.

 

The tympanic membrane is air permeable--slowly--and so any pressure imbalance across the ear drum will equalize after a few minutes.  When I read about this I deliberately did an experiment where I created a significant pressure difference--which was not pleasant, sonically or physically--and just waited.  It fixed itself after only one song (approx. 4 mintues), which was good to know.

 

Personally, I really like the small tripple flanges.  I tried a bunch of different solutions, including cutting off the first flange from the regular size tripple, as well as the different foams / gliders, and I much prefer the tripple flange.  And not just sonically.  I find them to be quite comfortable, actually, especially now that they have broken in a bit.

 

And on another note, I want to warn (or maybe "advise") new ER4 users not to assume that any sonic problems must be solved by jamming the IEM's further into the ear cannal.  I was operating under this assumption and then one day, I was still listening to music as I was pulling my ER4's out when I noticed that WOW! the one I was slowly removing sounded noticeably better all of a sudden!  I then did the same thing with the other ear and was so pleased with the sound that I listened for another 30-40 minutes.  My theory is that it isn't how CLOSE they are that is really the key, but rather how much AIR VOLUME is being trapped inside the ear.  This affects the "Q" of the system--I remember from designing my own speakers in high school that if your cabinet size is too small or too large for your driver, then bass response suffers.  There's a sweet spot for any given bass transducer--an a closed cabinet, anyway.

 

So, for those people here with large ear cannal openings, the optimal position for best bass response would be further in.  For those of us who use the small tripple flange, and thus who presumably have a smaller ear cannal, it may be that something a little bit back from maximum, nearly-touching-the-ear-drum, position actually sounds BETTER.

 

But, I can only report on my own experience.  Perhaps others do not find this to be true.  But in any case, what I can say is that it is worth messing around with all sorts of parameters WHILE MUSIC IS PLAYING to see if you can't find an even better method for your particular ears and preferences.

post #3795 of 9955

After 9 years use I still love my ER-4S's and have no inclination to spend time in the hope of finding a better IEM. However, I am considering how to improve the input to them. 

 

I use my computer as the source for my listening, and have been looking at a DAC/amp combo solution.  The Aune T1 USB Tube DAC+Amp has attracted my attention, as I already have a headphone amp that uses compatible tubes, which I have a few of.  I am hoping to hear from ER-4S owners/users who have tried this DAC/amp and would like to share their impressions.  Thanks in advance.

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