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Should I get ER-4S, PT, or HF5 for outside use? The source will be Sflo:2 + Corda 2Stepdance amp.
Thanks.
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Should I get ER-4S, PT, or HF5 for outside use? The source will be Sflo:2 + Corda 2Stepdance amp.
Thanks.

what genre of music?

post #3648 of 4677
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Should I get ER-4S, PT, or HF5 for outside use? The source will be Sflo:2 + Corda 2Stepdance amp.
Thanks.


based solely on cable noise go for hf5 IMO.

my microphonics ratings would be:

hf5= a lot

er4= humongous stop moving right now!!!

post #3649 of 4677
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Originally Posted by Harijs View Post

Should I get ER-4S, PT, or HF5 for outside use? The source will be Sflo:2 + Corda 2Stepdance amp.
Thanks.


based solely on cable noise go for hf5 IMO.

my microphonics ratings would be:

hf5= a lot

er4= humongous stop moving right now!!!

 

haha.  True true.  But if you use the shirt clip it takes the er4s from "humongous stop moving right now!!!" down to "a lot".  :-P

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what genre of music?

Mostly electronic music like deep tech house and some recherche dubstep. I like my TF10 with this genre, but I've read so much about Ety's and I want to try them. Without EDM, I'm very interested how will ''Animals as Leaders" sound with Etys, couse there is too much mess with TF10.

 

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haha.  True true.  But if you use the shirt clip it takes the er4s from "humongous stop moving right now!!!" down to "a lot".  :-P

:D Realy so bad microphonics even with shirt clip?

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Originally Posted by Mooses9 View Post
 

what genre of music?

Mostly electronic music like deep tech house and some recherche dubstep. I like my TF10 with this genre, but I've read so much about Ety's and I want to try them. Without EDM, I'm very interested how will ''Animals as Leaders" sound with Etys, couse there is too much mess with TF10.

 

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haha.  True true.  But if you use the shirt clip it takes the er4s from "humongous stop moving right now!!!" down to "a lot".  :-P

:D Realy so bad microphonics even with shirt clip?

 

Not really.  Sitting in a chair with the shirt clip, I personally have no problem at all.  But moving around I could see it still being a bit microphonic.  I added a custom cord lock to the top of the cable and sliding it up to keep the left and right wires together up to your chest/neck helps a bit more too...

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Originally Posted by Harijs View Post

Should I get ER-4S, PT, or HF5 for outside use? The source will be Sflo:2 + Corda 2Stepdance amp.
Thanks.

 

When both are equipped with the stock cable, HF5 is far more suitable for use when moving around. Stock ER4 has terrible cable noise and although a shirt clip helps to make it tolerable, I personally find shirt clips inconvenient to use. HF5 can quite easily be worn over the ear, which will eliminate almost all cable noise. ER4 can be worn over the ear too, if you invest in an aftermarket cable, but I don't think that all the extra money over the HF5 are worth it for the rather small difference in sound quality. ER4 does sound noticeably better than HF5 to my ears with quite a bit more midrange richness and resolution, a smoother treble, a more extended, tighter bass and a more open sound with a wider soundstage. ER4 will also definitely benefit a lot more from your amp than the HF5 will. However, those sound quality improvements will only be worth it if you get an after market cable that can allow you to wear ER4 over the ear, otherwise the cable noise will mask too much of the sound.

 

ER4S is clearer, more resolving, but also leaner in the low end than the ER4P/PT. Midrange is also a little clearer and more transparent on the ER4S, but not by much. There are many people who prefer the P/PT due to the extra warmth, more bass and less treble emphasis. You get two in one by buying the P/PT + a $10 adapter from ebay that will turn it into the S.


Edited by Pianist - 1/20/14 at 1:47pm
post #3653 of 4677
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

Man i love my er4s. Just sayin'. ;-)
In bed now listening to them. Nothing touches them. A bit of my eq, lay back and relax... Oh yeah. So good.

It sounds better than S - E - X, no? ;)

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Should I get ER-4S, PT, or HF5 for outside use? The source will be Sflo:2 + Corda 2Stepdance amp.
Thanks.

 

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HF5 will be far more suitable for use when moving around. ER4 has terrible cable noise and although a shirt clip helps to make it tolerable, I personally find shirt clips inconvenient to use. HF5 can quite easily be worn over the ear, which will eliminate almost all cable noise. ER4 can be worn over the ear too, if you invest in an aftermarket cable, but I don't think that all the extra money over the HF5 are worth it for the rather small difference in sound quality. Well, that is unless you are well off financially of course. ER4 does sound noticeably better than HF5 to my ears with quite a bit more midrange richness and resolution, a smoother treble, a more extended, tighter bass and a more open sound with a wider soundstage. ER4 will also definitely benefit a lot more from your amp than the HF5 will. However, those sound quality improvements will only be worth it if you get an after market cable that can allow you to wear ER4 over the ear, otherwise the cable noise will mask too much of the sound.

 

ER4S is clearer, more resolving, but also leaner in the low end than the ER4P/PT. Midrange is also a little clearer and more transparent on the ER4S, but not by much. There are many people who prefer the P/PT due to the extra warmth, more bass and less treble emphasis. You get two in one by buying the P/PT + a $10 adapter from ebay that will turn it into the S.

"ER 4PT earphones can be used with portable devices without an additional amplifier—or converted to the ER•4S response with the included P-to-S cable."

 

Just wanted to clarify that "$10 adapter from ebay" isn't need with the PT version, just with the P version.

post #3655 of 4677
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"ER 4PT earphones can be used with portable devices without an additional amplifier—or converted to the ER•4S response with the included P-to-S cable."

 

Just wanted to clarify that "$10 adapter from ebay" isn't need with the PT version, just with the P version.

 

Oh really? Nice! I didn't know that. Thanks for the clarification. I got the older ER4P without the included P-to-S converter.

 

BTW, I also want to add that there are other excellent options to consider for portable use in the price range of the HF5, such as Hifiman RE-400 and Phonak PFE. The Phonaks are now discontinued which is very unfortunate, because I think that with a decent portable amp they really sing and sound better than HF5 overall. They can still be found slightly used or even new I think and it's definitely worth it IMO. They are smoother than the Etys and are quite close in resolution, while having a wider soundstage, better dynamics and a bit more sub bass extension. RE-400 is also great for the price - it is also smoother than Etys and has a much fuller, better extended bass without sacrificing much resolution. RE-400 also has a more spacious, more 3D sound than HF5 with more depth than the ER4 as well. Both PFE and RE-400 are easy to wear over the ear and neither requires the deep insertion of the Etys to sound good which is a big plus when you are out and about and insert/remove your earphones often.


Edited by Pianist - 1/20/14 at 1:44pm
post #3656 of 4677
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Originally Posted by Harijs View Post
 

Mostly electronic music like deep tech house and some recherche dubstep. I like my TF10 with this genre, but I've read so much about Ety's and I want to try them. Without EDM, I'm very interested how will ''Animals as Leaders" sound with Etys, couse there is too much mess with TF10.

 

:D Realy so bad microphonics even with shirt clip?

i think it would be between the P or hf5, those 2 have different sounds though, they both have more low end than the S, and are easier to drive than the S

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Just for the record.  I disagree that the er4p has anymore bass than the er4s.  It's almost the exact same earphone with less treble.  I think this give people the impression of more bass, as there is more treble.  However, from an accuracy standpoint, it isn't anything like an er4s with added bass.  It's simply an er4s with less treble.

 

Their midpoint is 1000hz, so you have to look at the graphs relatively.  The bass of all three almost perfectly aligns, whereas the treble of the three are different.  If you aline the treble of the er4s graph with the treble of the er4p graph it would show the equivalent amount of change cut from the bass of the er4s.  However, we all know the er4s is the more accurate phone.  That doesn't mean everyone will prefer it, but it is known to be more accurate in frequency response.  Therefore, if you line up the bass of each graph you only see a change in the treble.

 

When I listen to the er4p I hear the exact same sound as my er4s but more muffled.  I don't hear it as more bass personally, but that's me.  Darker, yes.  But when the entire 10hz-1000hz is the same exact level, there's really no change in bass.  If one had more boost in the 10-200hz area that would be bass.

 

So if anything, you could say the er4p has more bass, mids and upper mids. :-P  But that's like saying it just has less treble than the er4s. ;)

 

Just saying.  I wouldn't expect a bassy phone if you listen to the er4s and want to try the er4p.  That's all. :)  Both are excellent and both are miles ahead of everything else, so get the one you like the sound of and/or that is easy to power conveniently...

post #3658 of 4677
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Originally Posted by castleofargh View Post


based solely on cable noise go for hf5 IMO.
my microphonics ratings would be:
hf5= a lot
er4= humongous stop moving right now!!!
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Originally Posted by Harijs View Post


biggrin.gif Realy so bad microphonics even with shirt clip?

Try this. I have near zero microphonics with this setup. It allows a secure over the ear fit. I wear my ER4S running and to the gym no problem. It's completely reversible, and stays in place without user intervention. I adjust it maybe every other month. I've been doing this for nearly a year, and I have to say this little mod has increased my enjoyment of the ER4S many times over.

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Try this. I have near zero microphonics with this setup. It allows a secure over the ear fit. I wear my ER4S running and to the gym no problem. It's completely reversible, and stays in place without user intervention. I adjust it maybe every other month. I've been doing this for nearly a year, and I have to say this little mod has increased my enjoyment of the ER4S many times over.


This looks great, can you create a youtube video for the same? It would be immensely helpful.
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

Just for the record.  I disagree that the er4p has anymore bass than the er4s.  It's almost the exact same earphone with less treble.  I think this give people the impression of more bass, as there is more treble.  However, from an accuracy standpoint, it isn't anything like an er4s with added bass.  It's simply an er4s with less treble.

 

Their midpoint is 1000hz, so you have to look at the graphs relatively.  The bass of all three almost perfectly aligns, whereas the treble of the three are different.  If you aline the treble of the er4s graph with the treble of the er4p graph it would show the equivalent amount of change cut from the bass of the er4s.  However, we all know the er4s is the more accurate phone.  That doesn't mean everyone will prefer it, but it is known to be more accurate in frequency response.  Therefore, if you line up the bass of each graph you only see a change in the treble.

 

When I listen to the er4p I hear the exact same sound as my er4s but more muffled.  I don't hear it as more bass personally, but that's me.  Darker, yes.  But when the entire 10hz-1000hz is the same exact level, there's really no change in bass.  If one had more boost in the 10-200hz area that would be bass.

 

So if anything, you could say the er4p has more bass, mids and upper mids. :-P  But that's like saying it just has less treble than the er4s. ;)

 

Just saying.  I wouldn't expect a bassy phone if you listen to the er4s and want to try the er4p.  That's all. :)  Both are excellent and both are miles ahead of everything else, so get the one you like the sound of and/or that is easy to power conveniently...

that makes sense, 

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