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post #3451 of 4657
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Originally Posted by markanini View Post

I guess you have sensitive ear canals like me. I've had luck with Klipsch bi-flanges wrt maintaining deep insertion, but you give up some isolation. Another thing that helps is not wearing them for extended periods at first, work your way up. When you get irritation take a break for a day or two.

It's not really irritation. It's like when the IEM moves a bit, the suction pulls on my eardrum and it causes a lot of pain for the next day or so.

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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

+1 on all of that.  However, my ears are still sensitive sometimes.  I can wear the er4s with large triflange as deep as the pictures I've shown for hours with no problems.  Other times I swear I wear them like that for 30 minutes and my ear has a bad pain the entire next day.  Perhaps the tip pushed against my canal just enough in one case and not the other?  I don't know.  I just know that they do have the unfortunate side effect of sometimes being very painful.  It's too bad, because otherwise I think they're the best iem i've ever heard.

My solution is to use the small silicone tips from my pfe series.  Those don'e cause any pain and seal even easier in general.  However, they are more prone to popping out of the seal and losing the perfect response because of it.  So with those I usually only wear them when I'm not moving at all (sitting at computer, lying in bed).  Otherwise they just don't work.

Absolutely best isolation ever.  Better than any earplug I've ever used too.  Noticeably.

As for criticality of tracks, I never found this a problem like some people.  I think if you don't have a perfect fit and therefore not a perfect bass response, the treble will then exaggerate any sibilance and flaws in that regard.  However, with a perfect fit and especially with a bit of sub bass boost eq, I don't find this at all.

I'm still surprised. Maybe my seal and depth were great, but I had a poorly mastered 116kbps track that had new life breathed into it.

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Originally Posted by castleofargh View Post

foam!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no suction+ comfy and less microphonics, who cares about those trebles, I never invited them anyway.
seriously the real challenge is to get deep enough with foam, else the sound really suffers.

Foam tips usually don't work for me =(
post #3452 of 4657
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post


It's not really irritation. It's like when the IEM moves a bit, the suction pulls on my eardrum and it causes a lot of pain for the next day or so.

 

I get the same thing, except not quite as severe. Sliders and included foam won't fit in my ears, I had to get some of the small triple flanges.

post #3453 of 4657
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Originally Posted by lewisbot View Post

I get the same thing, except not quite as severe. Sliders and included foam won't fit in my ears, I had to get some of the small triple flanges.

Maybe that would be an idea if I ever got these. On the bright side, at that tightness of fit, I get very little microphonics actually.
post #3454 of 4657

Well, for anyone having issues with suction I recommend the comply p with the upper part of the foam trimmed down - great deep seal with zero suction. Otherwise the silicone tips I prefer all have some suction and that might annoy some people. I also tried the westone star tips but I'm not a fan - they work great with the brainwavz b2 though.

post #3455 of 4657
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

It's not really irritation. It's like when the IEM moves a bit, the suction pulls on my eardrum and it causes a lot of pain for the next day or so.
I'm still surprised. Maybe my seal and depth were great, but I had a poorly mastered 116kbps track that had new life breathed into it.
Foam tips usually don't work for me =(

Foams don't work for me either. I always end up with channel imbalance. Biflange works best for me. It allows for a deep fit and solid seal without too much invasion. You might experience a bit of suction, but when the fit is right, the tips tend to slide in without creating too much pressure in my experience.

Depending on a track's bass quantity, I too enjoy the ER4S with even poorly mastered material. It's just that some tracks can be a bit cold sounding if they're mastered towards that direction. In those cases the MH1 happily fills in.

Still, the ER4S does take bass boost eq quite well imo.
post #3456 of 4657
When I use foam (my main tip choice for ER4S) after I compress both tips i need to straight shoot from the highest part of my outer canal, so the very top of my canal and I find the second bend easily. I know where it is now on both sides. Before learning I was getting all sorts of channel imbalance to the point I thought one side was faulty, it took me about a week of trial an error. Tri flange don't give me as clear or detailed sound, like it adds warmth and I lose that edge in detail extension but the comfort increases.
post #3457 of 4657

i took the plunge and bought some ER4P's and i am curious about getting the adapter to use the westone pin cable ( i have a spare lying around) i an wondering, what else will i need, i know the stock cable has the resistor, do i need to buy a 3.5mm resistor to keep stock sound, or?

 

thanks for any help.

 

ps i have been very eager to try out the er4's with all the rave reviews i have read, cant wait

post #3458 of 4657
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Originally Posted by Mooses9 View Post

i took the plunge and bought some ER4P's and i am curious about getting the adapter to use the westone pin cable ( i have a spare lying around) i an wondering, what else will i need, i know the stock cable has the resistor, do i need to buy a 3.5mm resistor to keep stock sound, or?

thanks for any help.

ps i have been very eager to try out the er4's with all the rave reviews i have read, cant wait

If you're talking about the small adapters from eBay, make sure you get the P version if you want stock ER4P sound. You do have the option of getting the S version adapters if you want to change the sound to that of the ER4S. Other than that, you have everything you need. No extra adapters are required.
post #3459 of 4657
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


If you're talking about the small adapters from eBay, make sure you get the P version if you want stock ER4P sound. You do have the option of getting the S version adapters if you want to change the sound to that of the ER4S. Other than that, you have everything you need. No extra adapters are required.

i want to get the sound of the S i bought this one...should i have bought the S?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/300592438250?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

 

and i bought this and requested 100ohms

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/290372905689?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

post #3460 of 4657
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Originally Posted by Mooses9 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


If you're talking about the small adapters from eBay, make sure you get the P version if you want stock ER4P sound. You do have the option of getting the S version adapters if you want to change the sound to that of the ER4S. Other than that, you have everything you need. No extra adapters are required.

i want to get the sound of the S i bought this one...should i have bought the S?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/300592438250?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

 

and i bought this and requested 100ohms

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/290372905689?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

 

I might have missed something about what you're doing, but the impedance adapter should be 75-82ohm if you want to get the s sound from a p cable... 


Edited by luisdent - 1/3/14 at 3:54pm
post #3461 of 4657
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

I might have missed something about what you're doing, but the impedance adapter should be 75-82ohm if you want to get the s sound from a p cable... 

ok.

 

what i am trying to do is use the westone cable so i bought this adapter for over the ears 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ETYMOTIC-ER4-IN-EARPHONE-CABLE-ADAPTOR-P-/300592438250?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45fcb49bea#ht_8247wt_806

 

then this resistor 3.5mm plug at 100ohms 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/290372905689?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

 

is this right to get the p sound, it will be doing away with the stock cable all together

post #3462 of 4657

To get the P sound you need only the Westone adapter.

post #3463 of 4657
Even the P cable has a resistor in the Y split, no? Just a much smaller value?
post #3464 of 4657
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post
 

To get the P sound you need only the Westone adapter.

i have the P stock cable, i want the S sound.

 

i dont want to use the P stock cable.

 

want the westone Adapters i presumed i needed the 3.5mm er4p to er4s 3.5mm adapter? @ 100ohm

 

is there some kind of circuitry inside those adapters to use the westone cable..

 

im completely lost

 

Goal im trying to achieve


Edited by Mooses9 - 1/3/14 at 4:27pm
post #3465 of 4657

If you want the S sound, get the S Westone adapter.  Want B, get the B.  See the trend ;)

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