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post #3211 of 4659

That's probably true about the FR, although a slight boost in sub bass would probably be okay and be an FR 'upgrade'. The other problems are just ergonomic like you mentioned. I almost purchased the F111 after trying the ER4 but those Fitear IEMS are really tough to get a hold of.

post #3212 of 4659
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Ah, thanks for the info. I didn't know it has too much treble, but I knew it had more bass than the ER4. Not sure if any top tier universals would be an upgrade along the same lines than. Some people say the F111 isn't similar either. Maybe the ER-4S is just in its own little world.

They are :)  Read this;

http://www.etymotic.com/technology/hwmra.html

 

and taken from the 'about etymotic' page;

Innovation, education and hearing conservation are central to Etymotic's mission. Etymotic's products are used by scientists, hearing practitioners, hearing-impaired consumers, professional and amateur musicians, and others who insist on superior sound quality. Audio engineers, audiologists and musicians working together have generated over 100 patents issued and pending. A number of Etymotic's 60 employees are accomplished musicians. 

 

What 'standard' are other top IEMs using? This is what makes the ER-4S unique.

post #3213 of 4659
@ Lucident- Any specific tips to try?
post #3214 of 4659
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@ Lucident- Any specific tips to try?

 

I had the best luck with the stock medium silicon and the v-sonic bi-flanges.  The bi-flanges sounded good if I drove them in super deep.  The silicon stock tips sounded good at the absolute shallowest possible depth that gave a full seal.  If you can achieve the fit you'll know it, because they have extended treble.  Otherwise the treble sounds warm and rolled of a bit.

post #3215 of 4659
The Shure Olive tips have worked the best for me.
post #3216 of 4659

So I built my a/b switch and have been testing the fuze with the er4s vs. the fuze and c5 with the er4s.  The switch is almost completely silent when switching and volumes matched and I have to be honest, whatever difference I heard between the C5 and the fuze alone is either smaller than I thought or non-existent.

 

I think more people need to use an immediate switch to compare setups.  I'm not saying there is no difference.  I can't tell yet.  It "sounds" like something might be infinitesimally different, but I can't tell what it is or if I'm just "hearing things".  So in that regard I would say wholeheartedly that the er4s does not require an amp with the fuze unless you need more power for very rare tracks that are extremely quiet.  Otherwise it sounds identical to, or almost identical to a great amp.  I'll do more listening test and see what I find, but even if I do find a difference, it is so small I wouldn't say an amp makes any noticeable difference.  Unless your amp is doing something to the sound that you prefer.  But a neutral amp doesn't really enhance the sound in any noticeable way vs. a sansa player.

 

AppleMark

post #3217 of 4659
Thread Starter 

Whether or not the ER4S is light on bass depends on your reference: http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=743&graphID[]=3561&graphID[]=703&graphID[]=573&scale=30

 

I heard the other three headphones in the link. ER4S, K701 and HD600 don't sound lacking in sub bass to my ears. SRH1840 does sound a bit lacking down there to me, but only slightly so. I think that in headphones, frequencies below roughly 40 Hz don't really matter, because they need to be felt with the whole body in order to be perceived properly and enjoyed IMO.

post #3218 of 4659

@luisdent Kudos to you for buying/making a switch. I have been shouting the importance of this for months and I am slowly seeing more and more people with them. It takes so much variability out of a comparison and once level-matched, is a perfect demonstration of how gullible our minds,ears and eyes are lol. I don't know about you, but it has weeded out alot of bad, and let in the good for me!

:beerchug:

post #3219 of 4659
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@luisdent Kudos to you for buying/making a switch. I have been shouting the importance of this for months and I am slowly seeing more and more people with them. It takes so much variability out of a comparison and once level-matched, is a perfect demonstration of how gullible our minds,ears and eyes are lol. I don't know about you, but it has weeded out alot of bad, and let in the good for me!

:beerchug:

 

I agree and have been looking for a good little switch that does nothing to the sound quality for a while, but haven't found one.  I just decided to make my own once I realize I had a spare c5 case.  It came out very well.  The jacks and whatnot feel solid and the sound is perfectly unchanged.  It's awesome having not only a quick way to switch sources but an instant way.  I can have my fuze and clip + playing the same audio file with one going through the amp and start the song at the same time.  When I switch them, the change is instant and you can't even tell anything changed.  I sometimes forget which input my devices are in and have to pause one to check quickly.  I could do a true double blind test with it, but I don't feel the need.  Maybe at some point though.  The differences are nil to none, so I'm pretty content with that.  Says even more about the er4s being awesome.

 

You don't really much to power them at full quality.  A sansa player... $50  Bam.  Awesome.  I'll compare the fuze to my high end denon amp and apogee computer interface later and see how they fare.  I'm predicting the same results, but we'll see.  The apogee has always impressed me more than any amp, so it will be interesting if it sounds the same...

post #3220 of 4659
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

I agree and have been looking for a good little switch that does nothing to the sound quality for a while, but haven't found one.  I just decided to make my own once I realize I had a spare c5 case.  It came out very well.  The jacks and whatnot feel solid and the sound is perfectly unchanged.  It's awesome having not only a quick way to switch sources but an instant way.  I can have my fuze and clip + playing the same audio file with one going through the amp and start the song at the same time.  When I switch them, the change is instant and you can't even tell anything changed.  I sometimes forget which input my devices are in and have to pause one to check quickly.  I could do a true double blind test with it, but I don't feel the need.  Maybe at some point though.  The differences are nil to none, so I'm pretty content with that.  Says even more about the er4s being awesome.

 

You don't really much to power them at full quality.  A sansa player... $50  Bam.  Awesome.  I'll compare the fuze to my high end denon amp and apogee computer interface later and see how they fare.  I'm predicting the same results, but we'll see.  The apogee has always impressed me more than any amp, so it will be interesting if it sounds the same...

+1

One thing though. When you go making comparisons to your other amps, be sure to run very challenging tracks. Some that have copious amounts of sub-bass waves, orchestra, full piano, full violin etc. You'll find a limit somewhere using challenging tracks as opposed to run-of-the-mill daily music.

:beerchug:

post #3221 of 4659
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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post
 

Whether or not the ER4S is light on bass depends on your reference: http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=743&graphID[]=3561&graphID[]=703&graphID[]=573&scale=30

 

I heard the other three headphones in the link. ER4S, K701 and HD600 don't sound lacking in sub bass to my ears. SRH1840 does sound a bit lacking down there to me, but only slightly so. I think that in headphones, frequencies below roughly 40 Hz don't really matter, because they need to be felt with the whole body in order to be perceived properly and enjoyed IMO.

 

Good points 

post #3222 of 4659
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

I agree and have been looking for a good little switch that does nothing to the sound quality for a while, but haven't found one.  I just decided to make my own once I realize I had a spare c5 case.  It came out very well.  The jacks and whatnot feel solid and the sound is perfectly unchanged.  It's awesome having not only a quick way to switch sources but an instant way.  I can have my fuze and clip + playing the same audio file with one going through the amp and start the song at the same time.  When I switch them, the change is instant and you can't even tell anything changed.  I sometimes forget which input my devices are in and have to pause one to check quickly.  I could do a true double blind test with it, but I don't feel the need.  Maybe at some point though.  The differences are nil to none, so I'm pretty content with that.  Says even more about the er4s being awesome.

 

You don't really much to power them at full quality.  A sansa player... $50  Bam.  Awesome.  I'll compare the fuze to my high end denon amp and apogee computer interface later and see how they fare.  I'm predicting the same results, but we'll see.  The apogee has always impressed me more than any amp, so it will be interesting if it sounds the same...

+1

One thing though. When you go making comparisons to your other amps, be sure to run very challenging tracks. Some that have copious amounts of sub-bass waves, orchestra, full piano, full violin etc. You'll find a limit somewhere using challenging tracks as opposed to run-of-the-mill daily music.

:beerchug:

 

Don't you worry.  I have a playlist of tracks specifically chosen for testing headphones, amps, etc.  It's a about 100 songs. :-P  All with different traits and properties I listen for...

post #3223 of 4659
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Don't you worry.  I have a playlist of tracks specifically chosen for testing headphones, amps, etc.  It's a about 100 songs. :-P  All with different traits and properties I listen for...

Oh very nice! Would you mind sharing the playlist? You can send via PM so we don't de-rail the thread.

post #3224 of 4659

Hey guys, I just brought my er4pt yesterday and yes it came with the s adapter so I am wondering if I should get a proper audio source?? I use my xperia sp to play music on the go and my macbook pro 2011 when I am at home so I am wondering if they are any good? Anyone can recommend me a good DAC ?? I been looking at the Fiio E18, anyone have a review on it with the er4?? 

post #3225 of 4659

For those still filter rolling, I found a set of the white filters.  I don't recall which model it came with, but PM if you want it for free (stamp and envelope on me) and you're shipping address is within CONUS.

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