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^ Maybe how your brain works, not mine. There are some headphones that no matter how long I listen to them never sound right or reference. 

I agree with you and luisdent completely - I am not talking about compensating for obvious differences in sound. For example, I have never liked the HD650 and no amount of listening will make me grow accustomed to its signature.

What I am talking about is what many people refer to as "burn-in." It is simply acclimatization.

My first pair of "serious" headphones was the HD 650. I always thought they lacked "life" but I had nothing to compare them to. The first time I heard the HD 800 I thought they were intolerably bright and thin sounding. Eventually, I replaced the HD 650 with the HD 600. I much preferred the HD 600 and enjoyed them for quite some time. It was during this period that I had another opportunity to listen to the HD 800. Well, I think you know where this is going...they were astounding! What happened to that shrill, bright, tinny sounding headphone? Obviously, nothing changed except for my perception.

 

Oh, yes.  People absolutely "burn-in" their brain with a new headphone they haven't heard.  I think this shows by how many people think the sound "burns in" so much after so many hours of use, when studies and graphs have shown, that while there is, or might be, a small change in sound it is almost always practically inaudible levels.  I think it is usually more the brain getting used to something for sure.

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I agree with you and luisdent completely - I am not talking about compensating for obvious differences in sound. For example, I have never liked the HD650 and no amount of listening will make me grow accustomed to its signature.

What I am talking about is what many people refer to as "burn-in." It is simply acclimatization.

My first pair of "serious" headphones was the HD 650. I always thought they lacked "life" but I had nothing to compare them to. The first time I heard the HD 800 I thought they were intolerably bright and thin sounding. Eventually, I replaced the HD 650 with the HD 600. I much preferred the HD 600 and enjoyed them for quite some time. It was during this period that I had another opportunity to listen to the HD 800. Well, I think you know where this is going...they were astounding! What happened to that shrill, bright, tinny sounding headphone? Obviously, nothing changed except for my perception.

 

I see, and agree. Everything is relative. And some aspects of sound you don't notice until you compare it to something else.  

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What happened to that shrill, bright, tinny sounding headphone? Obviously, nothing changed except for my perception.

 

I get what you are trying to say but... HD800 plus 120ohm output impedance of the Crack equal bass boost.  Just saying ;)

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I get what you are trying to say but... HD800 plus 120ohm output impedance of the Crack equal bass boost.  Just saying wink.gif

And what a lovely boost it is!
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js.....

 

No need to go on for 9 paragraphs.   You still don't get my point.  When I sit first few rows among live musicians it is an impactful and visceral experience....particularly drumming.

 

My listening experience through IEM's or headphones needs to get close to that.  It's that simple.

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js.....

 

No need to go on for 9 paragraphs.   You still don't get my point.  When I sit first few rows among live musicians it is an impactful and visceral experience....particularly drumming.

 

My listening experience through IEM's or headphones needs to get close to that.  It's that simple.

Then you would need something like a butt-kicker attached to your body to get that whole body experience lol. You're just not going to get that kind of tactile feeback from IEMs and headphones. You can from speakers though....why not go that route? :rolleyes: 

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js.....

 

No need to go on for 9 paragraphs.   You still don't get my point.  When I sit first few rows among live musicians it is an impactful and visceral experience....particularly drumming.

 

My listening experience through IEM's or headphones needs to get close to that.  It's that simple.


You still here?

 

Could you kindly point us all to the Shure thread so we can go return the awesome favour you've done us here.

 

Please,  there must be a million other headphone appreciation threads on Head Fi awaiting your enlightenment.

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js.....

 

No need to go on for 9 paragraphs.   You still don't get my point.  When I sit first few rows among live musicians it is an impactful and visceral experience....particularly drumming.

 

My listening experience through IEM's or headphones needs to get close to that.  It's that simple.


Simple, listen to music through your headphones and get a beautiful woman/man to rhythmically waft you with a big fan!

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So Spyro is expressing his opinions, and you guys are bashing him? Is there a rule here that no one is allowed to say negative things about a phone in its appreciation thread? Btw I totally get what he is saying. In a live concert, music sounds big and full-bodied, and when I listen to phones like er4s & pfe 112 they don't remind me of that big sound at all. I'm not saying they don't sound nice because they do. But they never give me that 'live concert' feel.

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No one bashed anyone, only their opinion. Go to the 535 thread and start talking about how they sound like mud. Let me know how it goes wink.gif
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No one bashed anyone, only their opinion. Go to the 535 thread and start talking about how they sound like mud. Let me know how it goes wink.gif

People do. Just like people complain about the bass of the ER4, people complain about the treble of the 535. Both are fair criticisms.
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And both draw wrath from fan boys was my point.
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And both draw wrath from fan boys was my point.

 

I specifically remember certain people calling the SE846 trash based on frequency response graphs alone. I don't think they got flamed, but maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.

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The er4s are great! GdhnDhkuvstjhdhjjvxds! ;-)
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846 thread is crapping on someone who prefers the 535 mid bass to 846 sub bass.  That said, 846 is total fail on the scope /facepalm

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