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post #3091 of 4777
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Originally Posted by airo View Post
 

hey guys, can anyone tell me how an original er4p sounds beyond 8khz?

I just recently got mine reshelled after it laid broken in my collection for 3 months

but now I cant recall the original sound the only I've noticed is that there is a steep roll off beyond 8-9 kHz

if remembered the original sound as very bright and lean

 

listen to this song, there is a faint snare in the distance during the first 45 seconds of the song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os8WIRrtu5o

 

is it very distinguishable? because now with this reshell I can hardly hear the snares vs my speakers


I think you might have a problem here. You should probably give them a call and see if they will redo the mold.

post #3092 of 4777
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

Too big a thread for search but anybody found good cables for the 4s that isn't as stiff and microphonic as the original?

I can't recall a good replacement, but you can bend the cable to the barrel and hold it in place with a piece of twisty tie to eliminate microphonics. If you look in the photo gallery of this thread you should see it.

 

EDIT: Found it.


Edited by brunk - 11/3/13 at 3:55pm
post #3093 of 4777
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Originally Posted by robm321 View Post
 


I think you might have a problem here. You should probably give them a call and see if they will redo the mold.

Thanks, I most likely will.

Really bummed about this

post #3094 of 4777

Cross posting from another thread:

 

The ER4S came in today. I told James I wasn't going to be able to get to it, but who am I to resist the veteran of the iem world.

 

I feel like the ER4S can be summed up with one sentence..."Dat upper midrange bump."

 

It confers the ER4S' greatest strengths, as well as its biggest downfalls. The ER4S is the first iem I've heard, other than the T-Peos H-100, that truly gave the the impression of being "cold". It's not even a bass issue either, as I'm getting clean and deep bass. The midrange hump reeeaallyyy emphasizes every last micro detail and harmonic, but there's little body to back it up, making notes that fall in the area of emphasis seem like they were machined from a sharp blade. This heavily applies to guitar strums. At the moment, all I can say is that I think the HF5 might just be the best all-around iem in the Ety lineup. It's not a fit issue either...I learned my lesson with the HF5.

 

 

Of course, these are very initial impressions. I'll listen more after my exams.

post #3095 of 4777

I hear they make an ER-4PT too ;)

post #3096 of 4777
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Originally Posted by billydelyons View Post

The barrel in your photo is stamped serial number 153326.

My ER4S barrels are stamped: 3440 (Left) and 2373 (right)  -- first year of production and still going strong after more than twenty years!!

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Now that's a true testament to the quality!
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post #3097 of 4777
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

Cross posting from another thread:

The ER4S came in today. I told James I wasn't going to be able to get to it, but who am I to resist the veteran of the iem world.

I feel like the ER4S can be summed up with one sentence..."Dat upper midrange bump."

It confers the ER4S' greatest strengths, as well as its biggest downfalls. The ER4S is the first iem I've heard, other than the T-Peos H-100, that truly gave the the impression of being "cold". It's not even a bass issue either, as I'm getting clean and deep bass. The midrange hump reeeaallyyy emphasizes every last micro detail and harmonic, but there's little body to back it up, making notes that fall in the area of emphasis seem like they were machined from a sharp blade. This heavily applies to guitar strums. At the moment, all I can say is that I think the HF5 might just be the best all-around iem in the Ety lineup. It's not a fit issue either...I learned my lesson with the HF5.


Of course, these are very initial impressions. I'll listen more after my exams.

The hf5 is the er4s with worse everything :-P. Only a bit, but the er4s is superior in each way. In fact, because of the better extension at both ends, it's technically less "mid-range-y". Just look at any graphs.


Hf5 Foam tips

Er4s Foam tips

I didn't see a tri flange hf5 graph, but they are even smoother in the treble as seen with the er4s...

Er4s tri flange

The 2-3khz peak is worse on the hf5, and the treble is worse as well...

I highly recommend you try the red filters if you think the mid treble is a bit "hot". I also have an eq that really flattens them out without much difficulty...
Edited by luisdent - 11/4/13 at 7:56pm
post #3098 of 4777
The HF-5s don't come close to the ER4S. You need to listen harder.
post #3099 of 4777

^You can say that again.

post #3100 of 4777

I have a pair  Etymotic HF5 and the ER4-s as well. They do indeed sound very differently to me and I also do understand why some prefer one over the other.

 

I use my HF5 along with a Sansa Clip Zip as a source for my gym rig. To me it is unbeatable as an ultra x2 portable rig for less than $100 or so that scales up much higher level if anyone other than me appreciates a more forward, maybe even close to a more neutral presentation. Well, more than the typical consumerist preferred emphasis around the bottom/top areas.

 

My ER4-S is now a major part of my "higher end"  Centrance M8/iPod rig and just because that I feel/hear it belongs there. Nothing else than a personal preference. Together with this combo the ER4-s does not sound just analytically/cold but also extremely detailed and on the right side of neutral. Whatever that is...

post #3101 of 4777
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

Cross posting from another thread:

 

The ER4S came in today. I told James I wasn't going to be able to get to it, but who am I to resist the veteran of the iem world.

 

I feel like the ER4S can be summed up with one sentence..."Dat upper midrange bump."

 

It confers the ER4S' greatest strengths, as well as its biggest downfalls. The ER4S is the first iem I've heard, other than the T-Peos H-100, that truly gave the the impression of being "cold". It's not even a bass issue either, as I'm getting clean and deep bass. The midrange hump reeeaallyyy emphasizes every last micro detail and harmonic, but there's little body to back it up, making notes that fall in the area of emphasis seem like they were machined from a sharp blade. This heavily applies to guitar strums. At the moment, all I can say is that I think the HF5 might just be the best all-around iem in the Ety lineup. It's not a fit issue either...I learned my lesson with the HF5.

 

 

Of course, these are very initial impressions. I'll listen more after my exams.

 

If you're referring just to your experience of the sound, well there's no arguing with that.  But if you're talking about (or influenced by) the FR graph, then you should know that the mid-range hump in the FR graph isn't real!  It isn't real in the sense that it reproduces the natural FR mid-range hump of the ear's geometry (horn) itself.  Since IEM's sit inside the ear canal, and bypass that naturally occurring emphasis, it needs to be re-created in order to faithfully convey the sound as you would normally hear it.  Or this is what I've read in any case, and it makes sense to me subjectively, because I absolutely do NOT hear any mid-range hump.

 

In fact, to my ears the ER-4S's are the most natural, neutral, precise, and accurate transducer I have ever experienced.  My Energy Pro 22 monitor speakers were pretty damn neutral and accurate as well--which is why I loved them so much--but the ER-4S's have them beat, I suspect.  (Sold them a couple years ago.)  But in any case, there's a reason that the ER-4S's have a well deserved reputation as a reference standard in-ear-monitor among sound engineers and musicians.  I've been marveling over how even handed they are.  They can handle absolutely any genre of music.  I have very wide ranging tastes, from classical to dance to electronica to pop to R&B to country and most everything in between, and these are the first sound reproducers since my Energy 22's that satisfy me all across the board.

 

And they are so effortless and pure, liquid transparency and clarity.  Not harsh or hard or edgy, but absolutely clear and brilliant, at any volume.  They make me dissatisfied with both my Grado SR-225's and my Sennheiser HD-595's, but for different reasons, of course.

 

I will say, however, that getting the right fit is vital and essential.  I was able to get a seal with both the small and large triple flange tips, but the seal was better with the smalls and got them in the right relation to my ear drums.  The foam tips I couldn't really get to work at all--but I didn't persist in this effort, since I didn't like the idea of having to smush down the foam every time I wanted to insert them.  I didn't try the glider tips at all for this reason.  If you haven't tried out your various tip options, you might experiment.

 

They also just might not be for you, of course!  And if you don't like the mid-range, well, then that's that.

post #3102 of 4777

Like I said, the ER4S' midrange is its defining characteristic. If you let your brain adjust to the DF signature, there's not much else that will do. 

 

Similarly, if you have other phones on hand like I do, it can be its biggest pitfall. I hear the bump clearly. I'm sure I can adjust to it over time, like I did with the HF5, but it's easily there. Just like one's brain can compensate for bassy iems to the point where bass-neutral ones sound crappy, the same applies here. 

 

What the ER4S sounds like to me is a HF5 with less body and decay, which exacerbates the upper mid-range spike, regardless of what the graph says. I'd like to see the time-domain graphs. The bump is amazing for details, as tons of micro-harmonics are in that region. Unfortunately, it just sounds cold to me at the moment. 

 

I'm afraid to listen to it for too long because adjustment to the signature might spell trouble for my other iems. Don't underestimate the power of your minds, people. You have the world's most powerful supercomputer encased in your skull.

post #3103 of 4777

What source are you using?

 

Are yours a new set with no burn-in time?

 

Tried it with an amp yet?

 

It took quite some messing about with difference sources, amp settings, filters and heaps and heaps of material before I drew the conclusion that these phones were dope. My ER4S (4P+adapter) doesn't sound thin or lacking in body at all.

 

The crazy flat accuracy and detail overload can be unnerving at first, and it certainly takes some getting used to. Frankly, I'm surprised by your preference for the HF5. In my opinion, the HF5 has similar sonics to the ER4P, but the ER4S is on another level.

post #3104 of 4777
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Originally Posted by brofeelgood View Post
 

What source are you using?

 

Are yours a new set with no burn-in time?

 

Tried it with an amp yet?

 

It took quite some messing about with difference sources, amp settings, filters and heaps and heaps of material before I drew the conclusion that these phones were dope. My ER4S (4P+adapter) doesn't sound thin or lacking in body at all.

 

The crazy flat accuracy and detail overload can be unnerving at first, and it certainly takes some getting used to. Frankly, I'm surprised by your preference for the HF5. In my opinion, the HF5 has similar sonics to the ER4P, but the ER4S is on another level.

 

Source is irrelevant, IMO. But I have multiple.

 

It's definitely not flat to my ears. I also hear a slight peak probably around 8k - 10k. It's not massive, but it's there.

 

I think I may be more satisfied with the ER4P, where the mid-range peak is more benign:

 

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Edited by eke2k6 - 11/5/13 at 4:29am
post #3105 of 4777
After few months with ER4 P/S and after few listening sessions with Cosmic Ears BA4r (which said to be neutral cIEMs similar to Etys) I tend to have similar view as eke2k6. For me, bass in S is better than in P, but I think that this superb clarity and detaility in S results from the peak in the uppder midrange and highs, in particural in the 6-10 kHz regions. For me ER4P is on another level in comparison to HF2/3/4/5, I wouldn't compare them as being similar; for me, the biggest downside of the HF line is the highs - I had to bump up 6-10 kHz regions by a few db to have this clarity which ER4P have without those bumps.
Edited by shakur1996 - 11/5/13 at 5:43am
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