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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

This seems to vary between people.  That graphed difference would definitely be huge for me based on my graph listening experience.  However, I have very good hearing and I'm very particular about my sound.  But then aren't most people who buy the er4s? wink.gif

I make 1db changes with eq and hear a noticeable difference if there are a few here and there (such as my "flat er4s" eq setting I posted).  Others simply might not be as sensitive to the changes.  I'm not sure.  But for me that would be too much change by far.  I wouldn't take half of that boost.  If things were 1 to 2db here or there, but the comfort was a million times better, sure that might work.  But that isn't the case to my ears personally.  But if you don't mind it, by all means enjoy your er4s with custom tips. smily_headphones1.gif

You can put the filters in the end of the tips rather than in the earphone to change the sound.  I say "change" and not "improve", because while it does lower some of the treble spiking, it also cuts out a lot of treble.  So you need to choose where you want the loss of quality.  But if someone had bad high frequency hearing that might be a better option.

lusident, I don't have any high frequency hearing problems; this was tested about two months ago at my local audiologist.

As I said I decided to buy the custom tips only due to the seal issues - I wanted to have a constant seal and not the seal which can be easily altered for example while moving my mouth or head.

I must admit that I did not have a time to compare one to one Etys on triple and Etys on the custom tips but my first impressions on the custom tips (once I received them) was that the sound is different but it is not night and day. Of course I based my first impressions on my memory so maybe once I do the one to one comparison I will have the same impressions as yours i.e. that the peaks in the treble are hughe.

Generally I see that a lot of people actually alter the original sound of Etys on the green filters for example by using the red flters or any others.
Edited by shakur1996 - 10/29/13 at 2:38am
post #3032 of 4659

Quarter wavelength resonances depend on the diameter of the canal as well, not just depth (both determine the residual canal volume). Not everyone will hear the resonance at 10k, some will hear it lower, some higher (perhaps way higher).

 

It depends on the shape as well. If your second bend is not that "bendy", then the acoustic model used in 60318-4 couplers is more "accurate", as all ear simulators suppose that your canal after the second bend is a straight shot cylinder to the tympanic membrane.

post #3033 of 4659
I think that I don't have a "bendy" second bend.
post #3034 of 4659
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

This seems to vary between people.  That graphed difference would definitely be huge for me based on my graph listening experience.  However, I have very good hearing and I'm very particular about my sound.  But then aren't most people who buy the er4s? wink.gif

I make 1db changes with eq and hear a noticeable difference if there are a few here and there (such as my "flat er4s" eq setting I posted).  Others simply might not be as sensitive to the changes.  I'm not sure.  But for me that would be too much change by far.  I wouldn't take half of that boost.  If things were 1 to 2db here or there, but the comfort was a million times better, sure that might work.  But that isn't the case to my ears personally.  But if you don't mind it, by all means enjoy your er4s with custom tips. smily_headphones1.gif

You can put the filters in the end of the tips rather than in the earphone to change the sound.  I say "change" and not "improve", because while it does lower some of the treble spiking, it also cuts out a lot of treble.  So you need to choose where you want the loss of quality.  But if someone had bad high frequency hearing that might be a better option.

lusident, I don't have any high frequency hearing problems; this was tested about two months ago at my local audiologist.

As I said I decided to buy the custom tips only due to the seal issues - I wanted to have a constant seal and not the seal which can be easily altered for example while moving my mouth or head.

I must admit that I did not have a time to compare one to one Etys on triple and Etys on the custom tips but my first impressions on the custom tips (once I received them) was that the sound is different but it is not night and day. Of course I based my first impressions on my memory so maybe once I do the one to one comparison I will have the same impressions as yours i.e. that the peaks in the treble are hughe.

Generally I see that a lot of people actually alter the original sound of Etys on the green filters for example by using the red flters or any others.

True but hese filters lower the treble in certain areas in very small amounts and without major peaks. So some consider this an improvement. Not many people would say they want a treble boost ;-)
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I was checking out some earphone distortion specs, and came across this.  I thought it was interesting.  PFE112 on top ER4S on bottom.  The PFE112 is surprisingly similar frequency response, which is probably why I find it easy enough to EQ them to sound practically identical to the ER4S.  However, you can see the distortion is indeed a bit higher all around.  Not bad, but definitely higher in the mid area.  Bah.  Go ER4S though! :)

 

 

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I have a a pair of ER4Ps and don't have the adapter to try them as an S model.  I do however have and UE airplane adapter which is 100 ohm.  Any idea how the extra 25 ohms would change the sound versus a 75 ohm adapter?

post #3037 of 4659
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

I was checking out some earphone distortion specs, and came across this.  I thought it was interesting.  PFE112 on top ER4S on bottom.  The PFE112 is surprisingly similar frequency response, which is probably why I find it easy enough to EQ them to sound practically identical to the ER4S.  However, you can see the distortion is indeed a bit higher all around.  Not bad, but definitely higher in the mid area.  Bah.  Go ER4S though! smily_headphones1.gif






Innerfidelity has an odd standard IMO. It seems they use a proprietary compensation standard that doesn't actually match what people hear, but is instead meant for comparative purposes. Rin talks about it here.

Personally, IF's graphs have never really matched my listening experience. Their distortion figures look a bit more accurate though.
post #3038 of 4659
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Originally Posted by KraftD1 View Post

I have a a pair of ER4Ps and don't have the adapter to try them as an S model.  I do however have and UE airplane adapter which is 100 ohm.  Any idea how the extra 25 ohms would change the sound versus a 75 ohm adapter?

Not much at all really, at least to hear tthe basic difference. I have used my er4s out of my 32 ohm duet interface, giving a total of over 100 ohms. The bass is a bit thinner and the sound on the light side, but not as much difference as the p to s makes. I wouldn't use it permanently, but it should be a good approximation of what to expect.
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

I was checking out some earphone distortion specs, and came across this.  I thought it was interesting.  PFE112 on top ER4S on bottom.  The PFE112 is surprisingly similar frequency response, which is probably why I find it easy enough to EQ them to sound practically identical to the ER4S.  However, you can see the distortion is indeed a bit higher all around.  Not bad, but definitely higher in the mid area.  Bah.  Go ER4S though! smily_headphones1.gif






Innerfidelity has an odd standard IMO. It seems they use a proprietary compensation standard that doesn't actually match what people hear, but is instead meant for comparative purposes. Rin talks about it here.

Personally, IF's graphs have never really matched my listening experience. Their distortion figures look a bit more accurate though.

I agree, but comparatively they look pretty similar.
Edited by luisdent - 10/29/13 at 9:10pm
post #3039 of 4659
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post  I was checking out some earphone distortion specs, and came across this.  I thought it was interesting.  PFE112 on top ER4S on bottom.  The PFE112 is surprisingly similar frequency response, which is probably why I find it easy enough to EQ them to sound practically identical to the ER4S.  However, you can see the distortion is indeed a bit higher all around.  Not bad, but definitely higher in the mid area.  Bah.  Go ER4S though! :)

 

Yes, the PFE has significantly higher distortion --- two reasons:

 

(1) The PFE uses a vented 2354 driver, plugged up. Vented drivers usually have higher distortion figures. They should've used the 2389, which is supposed to be the Sonion functional equivalent of the ED-29689, but didn't, not sure why.

 

(2) Phonak utilizes electrical underdamping to get the target response as well, but it does so with the cable itself. The 2354 is about 10 ohm impedance, so the other 22 ohm is in the cable. I don't know whether there are SMD resistors within the Y-split or not, but it's probably what they're doing. Anyway, they probably don't take the time to match noise and tolerances with the cable as much as Ety does.

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C'mon SGS.. I've only had them for a couple of day (they're awesome).. and all the cool kids are doing it.

 

:wink_face: 

 

Bah! Don't bring your multi driver CIEM nonsense in here! ;) I've tried a few and always returned to the ety sound. This is Mead's house and he doesn't suffer crossover network interlopers lightly!

post #3041 of 4659

So I have my ER-4S's on order!  I should receive them Friday!  Very excited to try them out!  Need to either buy or make a short 1/8" to 1/8" adaptor so I don't have to mess with my iPhone case in order to listen to the ER-4S's.  I'm going to be trying them straight out of my iPhone 5S--no amp.  I'm trying to avoid getting an amp or dac/amp for reasons of simplicity, portability, and economy.  But if I do end up needing to go this route, I will get a HiFi M8, I think.  Or a Sony PHA-1 if I could find it for a good enough price used.  But, based on comments here in this thread, the ER-4S's should still sound pretty good straight out of an iPhone, and thus don't need an amp.

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They sound surprisingly nice from an ipod touch 4g I have here atm, so I'm going to presume good results with your iPhone.
post #3043 of 4659
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post


Not much at all really, at least to hear tthe basic difference. I have used my er4s out of my 32 ohm duet interface, giving a total of over 100 ohms. The bass is a bit thinner and the sound on the light side, but not as much difference as the p to s makes. I wouldn't use it permanently, but it should be a good approximation of what to expect.
I agree, but comparatively they look pretty similar.

 

Thanks, good to know it won't be too far off from the S sound. 

post #3044 of 4659
Hey luisdent, it sounds to me as if your custom tips were not made very well. It seems as if this is a regular problem for Ety users I suppose. While my own customs do change the sound slightly, it does not make them sound treble tipped like you're claiming. I find the difference to be more subtle than an outright change in tone.
post #3045 of 4659

Has anyone tried the ER4S with the JDS Labs C5's bass boost before? It sounds great to me. It's great since the bass boost of the C5 has a centre frequency of 20Hz and pretty much focuses on the sub-bass. Also, the 6.5 dB boost as 20Hz pretty much flattens frequency response at the sub-bass area while slightly raising the upper bass frequencies (300Hz) by a 1dB or less. What do you guys who have tried it before think?

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