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post #2626 of 4777
Damn I love my er4s.
post #2627 of 4777

Luis, can you please share your HD600 EQ? I'd like to give it a try with my HD600s since I strive for neutral sound like you.

post #2628 of 4777
I was listening to a song i recorded and mixed a while back. I mixed it on my studio monitor speakers, and as I recorded it I am very familiar with all of the nuances. The reason I'm saying this is because I just listened to it on the er4s. No other earphone has come close to capturing the sound of the drums and keyboards the way they sound on studio monitors.

http://youtu.be/4uIxLhuUIfQ

The snare is exactly the depth and snap that I made it. The toms have just the right resonance and reverb trails and the keyboards are bright and synthy without being harsh. I just gained more respect for these as in ear "monitors". I haven't recorded much since I got them, so I haven't tried mixing with them yet. I'll still do final mixing on my speakers, but I'll use the er4s for everything else...
Edited by luisdent - 9/21/13 at 11:03pm
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I'm not sure a sparrow should be talking about parrots:wink_face:

 

This sparrow tends to respect life and parrots are living creatures... even if many of them seem to be pretty life-less and they make him terribly grumpy at times — but our cranky ageing friend admits he's still rather imperfect, so on certain levels he can sympathise with those other poor avian creatures…

 

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There's a Python sketch in there somewhere.

 

And a pretty good one it is, but I personally have a very soft spot for "Basil the rat", which I find quite a bit more appealing, if only because it reminds me of those awful sonic "abominations" known as the Piano Fortes.

 

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You did forget one thing. The overuse of the term synergy.

 

Oh yes, "Synergy"... and "burn-in"... and "YMMV".

 

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I have had numerous headphones come and go in my stable, the ER-4S is now the senior of my collection. Believe me, that's saying a lot coming from me lol.

 

Believe me, I can understand why.

 

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Damn I love my er4s.

 

Now, go and listen to this track with your ER4S and see (hear, rather) how they handle it—the stunning (and complex) drumming, in particular, is rendered beautifully: http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Beautiful+As+The+Moon+Terrible+As+An+Army+With+Banners/4EbHcU?src=5


Edited by music_4321 - 9/21/13 at 11:05pm
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I cannot believe how good the ER4S sounds out of the HPO of my Touch. Time and time again I see people insisting the 4S needs an amp — I say yes, you do, if you want to damage your hearing even more than you would with the iPod Touch at full blast (the 4S gets very, very loud at 75% of the volume slider (not the case if you have one of the volume-capped EU DAPs, of course, which I don't). To claim that an amp improves the actual sonics... well, I have my serious doubts...

 

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The 100 ohms on the ER-4S isn't exactly the easiest to drive on my iPhone 4. My typical volume setting is 11-13 out of 16 and that works well 99% of the time. But I have had rare cases (the other 1%) where even full volume isn't enough to deliver the full details of songs encoded with negative gain. I have also encountered situations where consecutive volume steps are either too loud or too soft, which irks me a fair bit especially when I'm in an uncompromising mood. So... although not a be-all and end-all feature, I consider the ability to fine-tune volume an important aspect to how much I enjoy my music, and that's my primary use for a portable amp. Fully agree that sonics don't take to the skies just by plugging in an amp. A larger expanse for music to stretch its legs certainly, but the core signature doesn't change.

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The 100 ohms on the ER-4S isn't exactly the easiest to drive on my iPhone 4. My typical volume setting is 11-13 out of 16 and that works well 99% of the time. But I have had rare cases (the other 1%) where even full volume isn't enough to deliver the full details of songs encoded with negative gain. I have also encountered situations where consecutive volume steps are either too loud or too soft, which irks me a fair bit especially when I'm in an uncompromising mood. So... although not a be-all and end-all feature, I consider the ability to fine-tune volume an important aspect to how much I enjoy my music, and that's my primary use for a portable amp. Fully agree that sonics don't take to the skies just by plugging in an amp. A larger expanse for music to stretch its legs certainly, but the core signature doesn't change.

 

Yes, I also get that 1% (or more like 0.5%) with some old classical recordings I have, but only on certain very quiet passages that are meant to be, well, pretty quiet to begin with, so perhaps not even 0.5% in my case. (My typical volume setting on my Touch is 8-10)

 

I also prefer using my V200 (desktop amp) as it allows me to better control the volume steps you speak of (wish my Touch had 30 steps instead of 16). However, I personally still would never consider getting a portable amp.


Edited by music_4321 - 9/21/13 at 11:28pm
post #2632 of 4777

Arrived yesterday, used with the p to s cable through Ibasso DX50.  Listened for an hour or so last night, forgot how lovely these are.  Why I ever got rid before I'll never know!!

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Arrived yesterday, used with the p to s cable through Ibasso DX50.  Listened for an hour or so last night, forgot how lovely these are.  Why I ever got rid before I'll never know!!

 

Welcome back to the club! You probably got rid of them because they aren't a "wow" headphone hehe.

post #2634 of 4777
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Random thoughts.

 

Been a HF'er for nearly 5 years and though I often feel I've got used to so much BS and nonsense posted in these forum threads, there are times when I still react (mostly inwardly) to said BS & nonsense. Apologies if anyone feels uncomfortable about some of my comments — they're not directed at anyone in particular, but this is more like speaking out loud to myself... but in public—in a thread I've unexpectedly come to feel rather comfortable. So, here goes:

 

I cannot believe how good the ER4S sounds out of the HPO of my Touch. Time and time again I see people insisting the 4S needs an amp — I say yes, you do, if you want to damage your hearing even more than you would with the iPod Touch at full blast (the 4S gets very, very loud at 75% of the volume slider (not the case if you have one of the volume-capped EU DAPs, of course, which I don't). To claim that an amp improves the actual sonics... well, I have my serious doubts...

 

The nonsensical exaggeration about portable amps & DACs… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense.

 

The nonsensical exaggeration about audio file formats (lossy vs lossless and now also HiRes & DSD)… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense.

 

The nonsensical exaggeration and cliché that full-size headphones sound (so much) better than (good) earphones… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense.

 

The nonsensical exaggeration re: TOTL IEMs… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense.

 

The nonsensical exaggeration re: custom IEMs… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense.

 

The nonsensical exaggeration re: aftermarket cables… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense — so refreshing to not see (expensive) aftermarket cables being discussed in this thread.

 

So many people remain very ignorant not just of the so-called placebo effect but other aspects that make us believe we actually hear things (so) differently.

 

It's great to see Etymotic charge very reasonable prices for their accessories and several of their IEMs; great to learn they offer a two-year warranty and that their CS and out of warranty service is excellent. The ER4S is not cheap (though when you actually look at the likes of Westone, Shure, Earsonics, etc...), but build seems (and is reported to be) solid; accessories are more than adequate and packaging is so right (unpretentious, professional, yet quite nice, really up my street [I'd change the small carrying case, though, but that's really a non-issue]). And the added option to eventually get extra filters at very reasonable prices is simply brilliant.

 

The ER4S sounds so good that I've happily gone through the fairly short fit-adapting period and have even got used to using the 'dreaded' shirt-clip already which, thank God, has completely got rid of microphonics.

 

The best audio purchase I've made in a long time.

 

While I read this I heard a curious rising of violins and a patter of drums up until the last sentence, when this ghostly music reached an emotional crescendo, and I stood up and yelled "FREEDOM." :p

 
Listening to my ER4S right now too guys. Don't really need the eq for most music I'm finding. The Braveheart soundtrack is actually pretty wonderful. 
post #2635 of 4777
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While I read this I heard a curious rising of violins and a patter of drums up until the last sentence, when this ghostly music reached an emotional crescendo, and I stood up and yelled "FREEDOM." tongue.gif
 
Listening to my ER4S right now too guys. Don't really need the eq for most music I'm finding. The Braveheart soundtrack is actually pretty wonderful. 
Amazing soundtrack. I've stopped using eq completely. I'm even still on greens, but I'm using comply though. The tri flange just have too much of something for my ears to listen comfortably at reasonable volumes. And I don't listen very loud

And that track failed horribly mr. Bird. Just horrible. I'm never listening to the er4s again...
post #2636 of 4777

Ah, that outdated mid-fi phone known as the ER4S with its most anaemic bass, terribly thin midrange & hot treble! http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Twisty+Bass/4I8p6w?src=5

 

Now, can someone please tell me who on earth mixed Andy Summers' guitar and, specially, Sting's voice on this track? The 4S' great midrange just about manages to salvage this track, and the music, on the whole, sounds pretty good, but the guitar & vocals are, sadly, fairly recessed: http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Every+Little+Thing+She+Does+Is+Magic/2AfjCW?src=5

 

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And that track failed horribly mr. Bird. Just horrible. I'm never listening to the er4s again...

 

Time for Mr luisdent to get some proper phones.

 

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While I read this I heard a curious rising of violins and a patter of drums up until the last sentence, when this ghostly music reached an emotional crescendo, and I stood up and yelled "FREEDOM." :p

 

  :)


Edited by music_4321 - 9/22/13 at 6:04am
post #2637 of 4777
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Arrived yesterday, used with the p to s cable through Ibasso DX50.  Listened for an hour or so last night, forgot how lovely these are.  Why I ever got rid before I'll never know!!
I'm really thinking about getting the ibasso dx50.. I'm also thinking about getting a good dac to.. But sometimes I don't want to carry around everything ya know.. So would the ibasso dx50 be an improvement over my 7th Gen ipod classic would you know? Thanks :-)
post #2638 of 4777
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Time for Mr luisdent to get some proper phones.

 

Yeah, I know.  I'm thinking of going back to my ex85lp.  They are so much more reference.

post #2639 of 4777
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Yeah, I know.  I'm thinking of going back to my ex85lp.  They are so much more reference.

Seriously? The JVC gummies are so much better. I think they are just about as good as the HD800.

post #2640 of 4777
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Seriously? The JVC gummies are so much better. I think they are just about as good as the HD800.

 

Yeah, I'd take the old cheapo apple earbuds any day over the hd600 or hd800.  They have so much more treble.

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