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Both are coming from my Macbook Pro USB port, just one is getting converted to optical by the U2 (async) USB device and the other goes directly into the DAC.  It definitely sounds better, or then again I might be imagining it ;)  If you select 96/24 output on the mac does it upsample 44/16 tracks or does it just pass those through as 44/16?  Should I expect upsampling to only add noise?

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Holy Moly guys!

 

I Just got my HRT microStreamer today, and am listening to lossless ALAC on my macbook through it with my ER-4S. This is the absolute best the ER-4s have sounded since i got them. Absolute night and day difference with the ER-4, both due to the amp on this little thing and the lossless, much more depth and no artifacts in the sound... more bass too, oddly.

 

Just goes to show, you gotta feed the ER-4s high quality music to really get the best out of them - no compromises.

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post #2614 of 4628
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Originally Posted by McCol View Post

Almost back in the fold of the Ety family. Just ordered the Er4p from Amazon UK, will be here tomorrow. I've owned these in the past and always regretted selling them on. Music_4321's posts have convinced me to try them again. I don't expect them to be better than my K3003's but looking forward to comparing the 2.
did you order the p version or the pt version?? To my understanding if you order the pt version you get the p to s converter with it.. Turning the er4p into the er4s..?
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Originally Posted by dnullify View Post

Holy Moly guys!

I Just got my HRT microStreamer today, and am listening to lossless ALAC on my macbook through it with my ER-4S. This is the absolute best the ER-4s have sounded since i got them. Absolute night and day difference with the ER-4, both due to the amp on this little thing and the lossless, much more depth and no artifacts in the sound... more bass too, oddly.

Just goes to show, you gotta feed the ER-4s high quality music to really get the best out of them - no compromises.
this maybe a stupid question lol but can I use the micro streamer with my pc or is it made just for Mac products??
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Originally Posted by pacman46 View Post

did you order the p version or the pt version?? To my understanding if you order the pt version you get the p to s converter with it.. Turning the er4p into the er4s..?

Its pt version, came today and has the p to s cable.
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Its pt version, came today and has the p to s cable.
oh sweet.. So it does comewith tthe converter. :-) happy listening my friend your going to love them :-)
post #2618 of 4628
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Originally Posted by dnullify View Post
 

Holy Moly guys!

 

I Just got my HRT microStreamer today, and am listening to lossless ALAC on my macbook through it with my ER-4S. This is the absolute best the ER-4s have sounded since i got them. Absolute night and day difference with the ER-4, both due to the amp on this little thing and the lossless, much more depth and no artifacts in the sound... more bass too, oddly.

 

Just goes to show, you gotta feed the ER-4s high quality music to really get the best out of them - no compromises.

 

I had a similar experience recently i was telling about.  Lossless on my mbp with my apgoee interface and c5 amp.  I always feel like the bass is better, but I can't really tell how.  It just sounds better.  I'm starting to think maybe it's dynamic range improving the bass feel.

post #2619 of 4628
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Originally Posted by McCol View Post

Almost back in the fold of the Ety family. Just ordered the Er4p from Amazon UK, will be here tomorrow. I've owned these in the past and always regretted selling them on. Music_4321's posts have convinced me to try them again. I don't expect them to be better than my K3003's but looking forward to comparing the 2.

 

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Its pt version, came today and has the p to s cable.

 

Glad to hear you got the P to S converter cable, too. Hope you enjoy your 'new ER4S' as much as I do.

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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

Well, I do dislike A/B'ing phones, that's why my sessions tend to be pretty short, but I do them in my own time, when I get pretty curious (knowing full well our auditory memory tends to be pretty poor)—in this case, after two weeks with the ER4S (last session lasted only ~5 mins, so that should tell you something). I suppose it's more 'having the pressure' of A/B'ing phones when people ask me to compare phone X with phone Y... and Z... and A, B & C!


The ER4S is an absolutely wonderful IEM. For me, it's not a matter of choosing a favourite—that would be the K3003, then—, but I have different 'sonic moods' & needs (eg good isolation or a complete lack of it preferable at any given time) — a luxury, I know. I love a double macchiato and can have a couple of those a day sometimes (or 3!), but also love orange, grapefruit, apple & carrot juices, and sometimes only some Twinings English Breakfast (no Earl Grey for me), a Paulaner or a glass of red will do.

Well I for one appreciate the short a/b comparisons you post. You're in a unique position as not many here have the various (pricy) phones in your collection.

Definitely agree it's nice to have different sonic flavors available. I need at least two. Right now it's the ER4S and F111.
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post  Definitely agree it's nice to have different sonic flavors available. I need at least two. Right now it's the ER4S and F111.

 

I wonder how you'd respond to the CanalWorks CW-L01...

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Random thoughts.

 

Been a HF'er for nearly 5 years and though I often feel I've got used to so much BS and nonsense posted in these forum threads, there are times when I still react (mostly inwardly) to said BS & nonsense. Apologies if anyone feels uncomfortable about some of my comments — they're not directed at anyone in particular, but this is more like speaking out loud to myself... but in public—in a thread I've unexpectedly come to feel rather comfortable. So, here goes:

 

I cannot believe how good the ER4S sounds out of the HPO of my Touch. Time and time again I see people insisting the 4S needs an amp — I say yes, you do, if you want to damage your hearing even more than you would with the iPod Touch at full blast (the 4S gets very, very loud at 75% of the volume slider (not the case if you have one of the volume-capped EU DAPs, of course, which I don't). To claim that an amp improves the actual sonics... well, I have my serious doubts...

 

The nonsensical exaggeration about portable amps & DACs… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense.

 

The nonsensical exaggeration about audio file formats (lossy vs lossless and now also HiRes & DSD)… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense.

 

The nonsensical exaggeration and cliché that full-size headphones sound (so much) better than (good) earphones… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense.

 

The nonsensical exaggeration re: TOTL IEMs… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense.

 

The nonsensical exaggeration re: custom IEMs… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense.

 

The nonsensical exaggeration re: aftermarket cables… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense — so refreshing to not see (expensive) aftermarket cables being discussed in this thread.

 

So many people remain very ignorant not just of the so-called placebo effect but other aspects that make us believe we actually hear things (so) differently.

 

It's great to see Etymotic charge very reasonable prices for their accessories and several of their IEMs; great to learn they offer a two-year warranty and that their CS and out of warranty service is excellent. The ER4S is not cheap (though when you actually look at the likes of Westone, Shure, Earsonics, etc...), but build seems (and is reported to be) solid; accessories are more than adequate and packaging is so right (unpretentious, professional, yet quite nice, really up my street [I'd change the small carrying case, though, but that's really a non-issue]). And the added option to eventually get extra filters at very reasonable prices is simply brilliant.

 

The ER4S sounds so good that I've happily gone through the fairly short fit-adapting period and have even got used to using the 'dreaded' shirt-clip already which, thank God, has completely got rid of microphonics.

 

The best audio purchase I've made in a long time.

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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post
 

Random thoughts.

 

Been a HF'er for nearly 5 years and though I often feel I've got used to so much BS and nonsense posted in these forum threads, there are times when I still react (mostly inwardly) to said BS & nonsense. Apologies if anyone feels uncomfortable about some of my comments — they're not directed at anyone in particular, but this is more like speaking out loud to myself... but in public—in a thread I've unexpectedly come to feel rather comfortable. So, here goes:

 

I cannot believe how good the ER4S sounds out of the HPO of my Touch. Time and time again I see people insisting the 4S needs an amp — I say yes, you do, if you want to damage your hearing even more than you would with the iPod Touch at full blast (the 4S gets very, very loud at 75% of the volume slider (not the case if you have one of the volume-capped EU DAPs, of course, which I don't). To claim that an amp improves the actual sonics... well, I have my serious doubts...

 

The nonsensical exaggeration about portable amps & DACs… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense.

 

The nonsensical exaggeration about audio file formats (lossy vs lossless and now also HiRes & DSD)… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense.

 

The nonsensical exaggeration and cliché that full-size headphones sound (so much) better than (good) earphones… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense.

 

The nonsensical exaggeration re: TOTL IEMs… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense.

 

The nonsensical exaggeration re: custom IEMs… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense.

 

The nonsensical exaggeration re: aftermarket cables… and all the parroting, people repeating and spreading the same nonsense — so refreshing to not see (expensive) aftermarket cables being discussed in this thread.

 

So many people remain very ignorant not just of the so-called placebo effect but other aspects that make us believe we actually hear things (so) differently.

 

It's great to see Etymotic charge very reasonable prices for their accessories and several of their IEMs; great to learn they offer a two-year warranty and that their CS and out of warranty service is excellent. The ER4S is not cheap (though when you actually look at the likes of Westone, Shure, Earsonics, etc...), but build seems (and is reported to be) solid; accessories are more than adequate and packaging is so right (unpretentious, professional, yet quite nice, really up my street [I'd change the small carrying case, though, but that's really a non-issue]). And the added option to eventually get extra filters at very reasonable prices is simply brilliant.

 

The ER4S sounds so good that I've happily gone through the fairly short fit-adapting period and have even got used to using the 'dreaded' shirt-clip already which, thank God, has completely got rid of microphonics.

 

The best audio purchase I've made in a long time.

I'm not sure a sparrow should be talking about parrots:wink_face: There's a Python sketch in there somewhere.

 

But. You are pretty much dead on all the way 'round. A lot of buzzwords and apeing going on as rationalization to spend high dollars to get into some elite "club" is just mere consumerism at its worst.

You did forget one thing. The overuse of the term synergy.

 

I think Smashmouth said it best.

 

And just like fashion it's a passion for the with it and hip
If you got the goods they'll come and buy it just to stay in the clique

So don't delay act now supplies are running out
Allow if you're still alive six to eight years to arrive
And if you follow there may be a tomorrow
But if the offer's shunned you might as well be walkin' on the sun

post #2624 of 4628
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post
 

Random thoughts.

 

Been a HF'er for nearly 5 years and though I often feel I've got used to so much BS and nonsense posted in these forum threads, there are times when I still react (mostly inwardly) to said BS & nonsense. Apologies if anyone feels uncomfortable about some of my comments — they're not directed at anyone in particular, but this is more like speaking out loud to myself... but in public—in a thread I've unexpectedly come to feel rather comfortable. So, here goes:

 

I cannot believe how good the ER4S sounds out of the HPO of my Touch. Time and time again I see people insisting the 4S needs an amp — I say yes, you do, if you want to damage your hearing even more than you would with the iPod Touch at full blast (the 4S gets very, very loud at 75% of the volume slider (not the case if you have one of the volume-capped EU DAPs, of course, which I don't). To claim that an amp improves the actual sonics... well, I have my serious doubts...

 

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It's great to see Etymotic charge very reasonable prices for their accessories and several of their IEMs; great to learn they offer a two-year warranty and that their CS and out of warranty service is excellent. The ER4S is not cheap (though when you actually look at the likes of Westone, Shure, Earsonics, etc...), but build seems (and is reported to be) solid; accessories are more than adequate and packaging is so right (unpretentious, professional, yet quite nice, really up my street [I'd change the small carrying case, though, but that's really a non-issue]). And the added option to eventually get extra filters at very reasonable prices is simply brilliant.

 

The ER4S sounds so good that I've happily gone through the fairly short fit-adapting period and have even got used to using the 'dreaded' shirt-clip already which, thank God, has completely got rid of microphonics.

 

The best audio purchase I've made in a long time.

I have had numerous headphones come and go in my stable, the ER-4S is now the senior of my collection. Believe me, that's saying a lot coming from me lol.

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You guys both said it well. There is too much bs. However, there are some truths. My iPods are every bit as good as any amp I've heard, but not as loud. The only exception has been my 5th gen touch. For someone extremely discerning (me) there is something different about the treble details that can "clearly" be heard with certain music. It's an extremely small percentage though of difference. Smaller than any filter change even. But I can't stand it. It is just missing that slight edge in reference quality. This is frustrating, because I hate when most people say so and so ipod sounds better that so and so ipod. I've had and heard and compared over 10 ipod models, and they are all 99% identical. Whereas the new touch is more like 95%. Anyhow, I'm ranting now.

I for one agree about headphones vs earphones. I love the hd600. Probably one of my favorite phones ever. I eq them, which people think is crazy , but I prefer the flattest possible response. However, I actually prefer the er4s over the hd600. There's just a smoother more reference sound to them. Both have their strengths. But if I had to pick one... Er4s.

The best thing you can do is study placebo effect and bias from foreknowledge. This helps you to overcome most predetermined prejudices affecting you listening opinions. It's amazing how people believe things and why sometimes.

Lastly, regarding amps. I find the er4s loud enough in any ipod with modern music or average volume music. However, really dynamic classical, soundtracks, etc can push the ipod to max volume sometimes. Especially if you use any eq at all that requires a precut to avoid clipping. But in general I could probably get by with no amp. I dot use any so with my fuze at all. No quality need and no volume need. I have hit max volume now and then on very quiet material. But it's not very common without eq.
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