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Ok, I just plonked in the red filters, cloth side up.

Bass has more presence, sweeeet! ... but this has come at the expense of some of that Ety treble magic. It's still delivering heaps of details yes, but a nice chunk has become less discernible.

Still too early to say which one I like better, but there is definitely a noticeable difference between the green and red filters.

interesting. Don from etymotic said the samples they tested showed a +\-30% variance. It sounds like you might have got one on the farther side of the greens. I think mine was probably in the middle. Or maybe I need to try my greens again.

On another note, i am going back too greens, but I was listen to some Kenny Rogers and Lionel Richie last night with orange filters and comply tips. Wow. I mean wow. It was simply some of the best sounding and most jaw dropping listening for me in a long while. No eq. Nothing.

Vocals stood out so realistically like I was in the studio. Strings and flutes and guitars just sounded unbelievably 3d and spacious, clear and distinct. Bass and drums were some of the tightest I've ever heard. The comply with the treble characteristics of the orange filters really brought out the soundstage depth and realism. These were original uncompressed no noise reduction albums. So good.

I'm going to lists to them again now with triple flange to see how they fare...
Edited by luisdent - 9/19/13 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

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interesting. Don from etymotic said the samples they tested showed a +\-30% variance. It sounds like you might have got one on the farther side of the greens. I think mine was probably in the middle. Or maybe I need to try my greens again.

On another note, i am going back too greens, but I was listen to some Kenny Rogers and Lionel Richie last night with orange filters and comply tips. Wow. I mean wow. It was simply some of the best sounding and most jaw dropping listening for me in a long while. No eq. Nothing.

Vocals stood out so realistically like I was in the studio. Strings and flutes and guitars just sounded unbelievably 3d and spacious, clear and distinct. Bass and drums were some of the tightest I've ever heard. The comply with the treble characteristics of the orange filters really brought out the soundstage depth and realism. These were original uncompressed no noise reduction albums. So good.

I'm going to lists to them again now with triple flange to see how they fare...

Wow +/-30% is more than I would've thought. So if there is a 2dB reduction at 3k, a +/-30% variance could mean either a 1.4dB or 2.6dB reduction instead? I can't math too gud lol.
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Wow +/-30% is more than I would've thought. So if there is a 2dB reduction at 3k, a +/-30% variance could mean either a 1.4dB or 2.6dB reduction instead? I can't math too gud lol.
Yeah crazy huh?

So far the triple flange are almost identical sounding. The complys sound more full while the tf sound more open. But the difference is incredibly small when they're both deep enough. If price were no object I'd always use complys. But either way I'm happy with triple flange. The other tips just aren't comfortable enough.
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I've gone back to the stock grey tri-flanges. For some reason the large clear tri-flanges were starting to make my ears a bit sore and I was also starting to lose the seal rather easily making my 4S sound off. With the greys I get a consistently good fit and SQ.

 

What a great IEM the ER4S is.

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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

I've gone back to the stock grey tri-flanges. For some reason the large clear tri-flanges were starting to make my ears a bit sore and I was also starting to lose the seal rather easily making my 4S sound off. With the greys I get a consistently good fit and SQ.

What a great IEM the ER4S is.
Yeah. I'm a moron. I just listened to the tri flange, the the comply, then the tri flange again. I don't know what was thinking... Tri flange is noticeably better treble. I think I just liked the warm bass increase of the comply. It rounds off the bottom nicely. But the tri flange is noticeably more clear and open with a direct comparison. I'd say the difference is directly proportionate. The bass of the comply for me is like the treble of the tri flange. But the tri flange are cheaper, seal better and last longer. And the overall sound is better.
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Another 3 straight hours with the red filters. Tried both the 4P and 4S configurations on some Casiopea jams, Pink Floyd and a new trance number from Armin v. Buuren. Straight up, no amp. I'm beginning to like this alternative signature. Gone is some brightness but along with it also the edgy bits. The shift in emphasis delivers a more balanced output (less cold but only just) while still retaining an astounding level of detail. This certainly works for me.

 

I finally understand why you guys were recommending this mod. Good find, thanks.

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I switched back to the green filters, and they're just not doing it for me. They sound great, but the treble has a few peaky areas that are just hot enough to make it not as enjoyable for me. I'm kind of surprised how much i liked the orange. I miss them already, and of course i didn't buy any more, because I thought they'd attenuate too much for me. I'm definitely switching back to reds. They sound excellent.

I will probably get more orange now and go between red and orange for my final decision. I might actually be leaning towards orange now, but we'll see...

On another note. While I like the triple flange with orange the comply make the treble of the green filters smoother and sound nice, but I'd rather us tri flange if I can.
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Almost back in the fold of the Ety family. Just ordered the Er4p from Amazon UK, will be here tomorrow. I've owned these in the past and always regretted selling them on. Music_4321's posts have convinced me to try them again. I don't expect them to be better than my K3003's but looking forward to comparing the 2.
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Originally Posted by McCol View Post

Almost back in the fold of the Ety family. Just ordered the Er4p from Amazon UK, will be here tomorrow. I've owned these in the past and always regretted selling them on. Music_4321's posts have convinced me to try them again. I don't expect them to be better than my K3003's but looking forward to comparing the 2.

I'm looking forward to hearing your impressions as well.

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Have had another longer, though still short-ish (~20 mins) A/B session with the ER4S and my FI-BA-SS. My ears do seem to prefer the 4S, but what a great IEM the FI-BA-SS is, too.

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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

Have had another longer, though still short-ish (~20 mins) A/B session with the ER4S and my FI-BA-SS. My ears do seem to prefer the 4S, but what a great IEM the FI-BA-SS is, too.

For some who hates a/b sessions, you seem to be doing them quite a lot. :P Seems the ER4S is a nice compliment to your other iems. Not being able to choose a favorite is always a good problem to have.
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

For some who hates a/b sessions, you seem to be doing them quite a lot. :P

 

Well, I do dislike A/B'ing phones, that's why my sessions tend to be pretty short, but I do them in my own time, when I get pretty curious (knowing full well our auditory memory tends to be pretty poor)—in this case, after two weeks with the ER4S (last session lasted only ~5 mins, so that should tell you something). I suppose it's more 'having the pressure' of A/B'ing phones when people ask me to compare phone X with phone Y... and Z... and A, B & C!

 

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Seems the ER4S is a nice compliment to your other iems. Not being able to choose a favorite is always a good problem to have.

 

The ER4S is an absolutely wonderful IEM. For me, it's not a matter of choosing a favourite—that would be the K3003, then—, but I have different 'sonic moods' & needs (eg good isolation or a complete lack of it preferable at any given time) — a luxury, I know. I love a double macchiato and can have a couple of those a day sometimes (or 3!), but also love orange, grapefruit, apple & carrot juices, and sometimes only some Twinings English Breakfast (no Earl Grey for me), a Paulaner or a glass of red will do.


Edited by music_4321 - 9/20/13 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Not being able to choose a favorite is always a good problem to have.

 

 

... but ask me to pick my 3 favourite IEMs and (today) I'd say the K3003, ER4S & PF IX.

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I know this is way off topic here but I just realized my HeadRoom Ultra Desktop Amp I have been using for a year with usb has an optical input and I also just realized the little HiFiDIY U2 DAC I got has an optical out... and d*mn if it doesn't sound much better then via USB.  I guess I am wondering is this normal for optical to sound better then USB?  I am really digging it, plus the other advantage is I can finally adjust the volume using the volume keys on my macbook pro keyboard which never worked using the USB connection.

 

Anyway, back to listening to my ER-4s, just had to throw out the question as to if optical is normally considered better then USB.  The other thing is via USB it used to only let me select a max of 48/16 while the U2 lets me select 96/24 and it all still seems to work so I am guessing I am now getting the full scale of my HDtracks which perhaps I never have gotten to hear before?

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Originally Posted by groovyd View Post

I know this is way off topic here but I just realized my HeadRoom Ultra Desktop Amp I have been using for a year with usb has an optical input and I also just realized the little HiFiDIY U2 DAC I got has an optical out... and d*mn if it doesn't sound much better then via USB.  I guess I am wondering is this normal for optical to sound better then USB?  I am really digging it, plus the other advantage is I can finally adjust the volume using the volume keys on my macbook pro keyboard which never worked using the USB connection.

Anyway, back to listening to my ER-4s, just had to throw out the question as to if optical is normally considered better then USB.  The other thing is via USB it used to only let me select a max of 48/16 while the U2 lets me select 96/24 and it all still seems to work so I am guessing I am now getting the full scale of my HDtracks which perhaps I never have gotten to hear before?
Assuming it is deigned well, the data stream should be identical. However, usb is much more prone to noise and interference. Even at a level that you don't recognize the noise it can affect the overall sonics of the music. But unless the usb and optical are using different audio hardware between the data stream and the audio components or have different specs they should sound the same. They're usually there so you have more connection options.

There's also the source output to factor in. Is your optical source coming from the same place as your usb source? The above would apply to the source as well.
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