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Installed the red filters... sound good.  Was a bit of a project and nearly lost them across the table a few times but finally managed to get them in.  One question... which direction you they go in?  Noticed the red filter cloth is closer to one side then the other and they aren't entirely symetric.  I inserted them so that the red cloth is furthest inside the stem.  In other words facing the iem. once inserted you see the tube end of the filter instead of the cloth end.

You installed them correctly. Do you notice much of a difference?
post #2567 of 4761
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


You installed them correctly. Do you notice much of a difference?

 

I do.  Sound a bit more balanced across the spectrum.  Highs are slightly recessed and bass is a bit more present. Perhaps a bit more comfortable to listen to for longer as the highs aren't as 'in your face' all the time but you still get good detail.  Also ordered the double flanges mentioned above to compare against the custom tips.  Noticed the custom tips I have are no where near as deep as the picture someone showed above with the wires practically touching their ears.  Wondering how much this affects the sound having them no where near as deep. Very comfortable however.


Edited by groovyd - 9/17/13 at 7:02pm
post #2568 of 4761
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Originally Posted by groovyd View Post
 

Installed the red filters... sound good.  Was a bit of a project and nearly lost them across the table a few times but finally managed to get them in.  One question... which direction you they go in?  Noticed the red filter cloth is closer to one side then the other and they aren't entirely symetric.  I inserted them so that the red cloth is furthest inside the stem.  In other words facing the iem. once inserted you see the tube end of the filter instead of the cloth end.

 

I put them in so the cloth filter portion is closest to my ear drums...  :-o

post #2569 of 4761
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

I put them in so the cloth filter portion is closest to my ear drums...  :-o

 

It's now going to act as a vacuum, sucking brain matter into your IEM. :tongue: 

post #2570 of 4761
sony mdr 7550 owner here

sony headphone/iem in the consumer division doesnt get much love around these forums...
but the ones exclusively marketed and sold in these channels deserve respect;)

- http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-audio/cat-headphones/
- (SONY Music) http://www.smci.jp/headphones/


anyways...

sound wise... does er4 make a good complement to 7550? i kinda picture myself using er4 when im in flight because, as much as i like the 7550... i cant use it outside home or studio.
post #2571 of 4761
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Originally Posted by TheBoss View Post

sound wise... does er4 make a good complement to 7550?

 

Yes.

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i read that er4S is a diffrent animal compared to er4P.... is -4PT still a good buy?

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Mr gnarlsagan will appreciate the following comments.

 

After receiving these tips today which I ordered last week, I can now say I do, in fact, prefer the ER4S over the 7550 (by a small margin).

 

These tips are genuine Etymotic tips and are the same size (same diameter) as the stock grey tri-flanges, but their density / material is different—they allow, at least in my case, a tighter fit even, which now has added that slight bass lift I wanted from the 4S. Etymotic should definitely include a pair of these tips instead of the two grey tri-flanges (ie one of each).

 

The 7550 still offers a different, wonderful flavour and a very natural sound, but my ears tell me the 4S has the slight edge. I've tested at least 20 different tracks (or excerpts) with both phones, so have done a bit of A/B'ing this evening (in Europe) which I don't normally enjoy, but I felt I had to. This was the track that had me say "Go on, bloody admit it, you do prefer the ER4S now": http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Modul+45/56v4bB?src=5


Edited by music_4321 - 9/18/13 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by TheBoss View Post
 

i read that er4S is a diffrent animal compared to er4P.... is -4PT still a good buy?

 

I wouldn't say a different animal, but a very close cousin.  And Yes, the ER4P/T is a good buy, and you can buy a 75-ohm adapter to up the impedance of the ER4P to very closely mimic the ER4S.

post #2575 of 4761
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post
 

Mr gnarlsagan will appreciate the following comments.

 

After receiving these tips today which I ordered last week, I can now say I do, in fact, prefer the ER4S over the 7550 (by a small margin).

 

These tips are genuine Etymotic tips and are the same size (same diameter) as the stock grey tri-flanges, but their density / material is different—they allow, at least in my case, a tighter fit even, which now has added that slight bass lift I wanted from the 4S. Etymotic should definitely include a pair of these tips instead of the two grey tri-flanges (ie one of each).

 

The 7550 still offers a different, wonderful flavour and a very natural sound, but my ears tell me the 4S has the slight edge. I've tested at least 20 different tracks (or excerpts) with both phones, so have done a bit of A/B'ing this evening (in Europe) which I don't normally enjoy, but I felt I had to. This was the track that had me say "Go on, bloody admit it, you do prefer the ER4S now": http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Modul+45/56v4bB?src=5

 

I knew you'd come back around eventually. :p

 

The ER4S has more staying power than any other iem I've heard. Most other iems have a sonic flaw or two that makes itself known after a certain amount of time, and it becomes too distracting. I've only experienced this with the ER4S in a much milder form by wishing for slightly more sub-bass extension. EQ has squelched this desire for the most part. I'm not saying this same thing is happening to you sparrow, only that the ER4S makes fewer sonic compromises in my eyes (ears) than anything else I've heard. 

 

I'm curious about those tips. I have that same clear color pair, and they came with the stock ER4S package. It included one pair of large grey tri-flange, and one pair of clear tri-flanges that are smaller than the stock grey tri-flange. If I understand you, you're saying that you didn't get any clear tri-flange tips in the stock ER4S package? Instead you got two grey tri-flanges? That's odd. The clear tri-flange that I have are too small for my ears, and I'd really like to try a larger pair. The material is similar to the stock ER-6 clear bi-flange, which worked very well for me for the reasons you stated. 

 

Also, I tried some p-series comply on the ER4S last night (due to lusident reminding me I had them lol). I trimmed the ends to sit flush with the end of the barrel. Fit is spectacular. The most comfortable I've had so far. Sound is nearly unchanged. I think there's a slight slight treble peak attenuation, but I didn't notice it today after trimming the ends a bit further. I highly recommend trying them if money is no object. They're absurdly expensive. 

post #2576 of 4761
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

 

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I knew you'd come back around eventually. :p 

 

I suppose you could say I was also feeling a bit too sorry for Mr gnarlsagan.  ;)

 

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The ER4S has more staying power than any other iem I've heard. Most other iems have a sonic flaw or two that makes itself known after a certain amount of time, and it becomes too distracting. I've only experienced this with the ER4S in a much milder form by wishing for slightly more sub-bass extension. EQ has squelched this desire for the most part. I'm not saying this same thing is happening to you sparrow, only that the ER4S makes fewer sonic compromises in my eyes (ears) than anything else I've heard

 

That's the K3003 for me.

 

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I'm curious about those tips. I have that same clear color pair, and they came with the stock ER4S package. It included one pair of large grey tri-flange, and one pair of clear tri-flanges that are smaller than the stock grey tri-flange. If I understand you, you're saying that you didn't get any clear tri-flange tips in the stock ER4S package? Instead you got two grey tri-flanges? That's odd. The clear tri-flange that I have are too small for my ears, and I'd really like to try a larger pair. The material is similar to the stock ER-6 clear bi-flange, which worked very well for me for the reasons you stated. 

 

I got the same (small) clear tri-flanges you have + 2 pairs of grey tri-flanges (my pair was brand-new and purchased from an authorised dealer). The clear tri-flanges I got are the same material as the small stock clear ones, they're just large (same size as the grey ones). There's only two sizes, btw; if you check the Eyt site, you'll see them all there (under accessories).

 

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 Also, I tried some p-series comply on the ER4S last night (due to lusident reminding me I had them lol). I trimmed the ends to sit flush with the end of the barrel. Fit is spectacular. The most comfortable I've had so far. Sound is nearly unchanged. I think there's a slight slight treble peak attenuation, but I didn't notice it today after trimming the ends a bit further. I highly recommend trying them if money is no object. They're absurdly expensive. 

 

I refuse to get Comply tips for three reasons:

 

1.  I remove my IEMs rather frequently

2.  I find Comply's pricing far too abusive

3.  I'd hate to please Mr luisdent.

 

* Reason #3 being more important than reasons 1 & 2

 

EDIT: I still think you don't know just how good the 7550s are. They do certain things the ER4S don't / can't do. The 4S is still my preference (by a pretty small margin), but I can well see some people easily preferring the Sonys—if only some of them got rid of the rather silly and kind of juvenile notion that the ER4S, like Stax, is it.


Edited by music_4321 - 9/18/13 at 4:09pm
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I suppose you could say I was also feeling a bit too sorry for Mr gnarlsagan.  ;)

 

 

That's the K3003 for me.

 

 

I got the same (small) clear tri-flanges you have + 2 pairs of grey tri-flanges (my pair was brand-new and purchased from an authorised dealer). The clear tri-flanges I got are the same material as the small stock clear ones, they're just large (same size as the grey ones). There's only two sizes, btw; if you check the Eyt site, you'll see them all there (under accessories).

 

 

I refuse to get Comply tips for three reasons:

 

1.  I remove my IEMs rather frequently

2.  I find Comply's pricing far too abusive

3.  I'd hate to please Mr luisdent.

 

* Reason #3 being more important than reasons 1 & 2

 

EDIT: I still think you don't know just how good the 7550s are. They do certain things the ER4S don't / can't do. The 4S is still my preference (by a pretty small margin), but I can well see some people easily preferring the Sonys—if only some of them got rid of the rather silly and kind of juvenile notion that the ER4S, like Stax, is it.

 

 

The Complys get rather easy to insert remove once you have given them a hydrogen per treatment. As for the pricing yes it's out there and I dearly wish someone would do a decent knock off.

 

In it's defence the ER4S rather deserves that Staxian stature. Not many have been around for over 2 decades and still retained the market share and loyalty they have. They are still mentioned as references by reviewers and users alike. So to give credit where credit is due they have earned that spot. Are there IEM's that do things better sure, in that price range, not really.

 The one thing that has set the ER4 series apart from most other contenders is not that they do everything perfectly, it's rather more of a case that they do nothing wrong. Most IEM's  I deal with always have on spot or transitional flaw that just seems to grate on me over time. The 4's just do not have that in their personality.

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In it's defence the ER4S rather deserves that Staxian stature. Not many have been around for over 2 decades and still retained the market share and loyalty they have. They are still mentioned as references by reviewers and users alike. So to give credit where credit is due they have earned that spot. Are there IEM's that do things better sure, in that price range, not really.

 The one thing that has set the ER4 series apart from most other contenders is not that they do everything perfectly, it's rather more of a case that they do nothing wrong. Most IEM's  I deal with always have on spot or transitional flaw that just seems to grate on me over time. The 4's just do not have that in their personality.

 

It's insane that these have been around for over 20 years. So many earphones have come and gone in that time, and yet these have continued to sell with no sonic changes or sonic "improvements". Amazing. 

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Originally Posted by Hutnicks View Post

 

In it's defence the ER4S rather deserves that Staxian stature. Not many have been around for over 2 decades and still retained the market share and loyalty they have. They are still mentioned as references by reviewers and users alike. So to give credit where credit is due they have earned that spot. Are there IEM's that do things better sure, in that price range, not really.

 The one thing that has set the ER4 series apart from most other contenders is not that they do everything perfectly, it's rather more of a case that they do nothing wrong. Most IEM's  I deal with always have on spot or transitional flaw that just seems to grate on me over time. The 4's just do not have that in their personality.

 

I suddenly find myself in the very awkward position of having to 'attack' a phone I love and one that I regard very highly — fascinating, to say the least. It's already pretty late in my neck of the woods (nearly 2 AM), but I'll respond to your post tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post


I refuse to get Comply tips for three reasons:

1.  I remove my IEMs rather frequently
2.  I find Comply's pricing far too abusive
3.  I'd hate to please Mr luisdent.

* Reason #3 being more important than reasons 1 & 2

EDIT: I still think you don't know just how good the 7550s are. They do certain things the ER4S don't / can't do. The 4S is still my preference (by a pretty small margin), but I can well see some people easily preferring the Sonys—if only some of them got rid of the rather silly and kind of juvenile notion that the ER4S, like Stax, is it.

I laughed pretty good at that one. :-P

As for comply tips, if price were no object they would be my preferred tips. But at the prices they charge, you might as well bend over when you insert them. I would only ever buy them when they have a 25% off sale. Even then, I'm not sure yet. I'm still using the tips from my pfe112, so I haven't had to buy any...

I want to try those clear tips. They sound interesting. I don't get why people get so stubborn about iems. I think the EarPods are amazon earphones. For $30 they are pretty darn good. I'd never use them over my er4s unless I was looking to hear my environment more, but they're better than most people will admit in that they're like the er4s where there are no major flaws. The response isn't as good, but there are no spikes or big drops in the response. And even the sony ex85lp are extremely competent with a little bass cut eq.

For me though the er4s is it so far. Not always by a large margin. The pfe112 are amazing! At half the cost they are at least 90% the quality. But the er4s just really nails almost everything and does nothing bad. The only thing I'd want most is just a little sub bass, but that's easy to fix in a few ways. Most other iems would need eq treatment equivalent to a Picasso painting to sound close to the er4s.

Blah blah. You get the picture. I think we need another group buy. Hahaha
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