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post #2431 of 5010
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This may be an unfair question...

 

Hmm…yes!… kind of.

 

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...considering your subjective impression of headphone soundstage, with 10 being large and 1 being small, where would you rate the ER-4S?

For example, I rate the HD800 an 8.5 and the K3003 a 7.5. I rate the HF-5 a 3.5.

 

 

Ok, I did say in my very initial impressions yesterday that the perception of soundstage is an interesting subject, because people's perceptions sometimes seem to vary a great deal. Add to that the not so infrequent parroting, parroting... and yet more parroting (read: many people simply regurgitating what others say)…

 

So, several people have described the HD800's SS as being very vast. I don't find it that vast, tbh, but it's certainly very open, and I think this is often more dependent on the album you happen play—how it was recorded, placement of mics, etc—, your state of mind at any given time, and other variables.

 

Okay, then, since you put me on the spot, here you go: to me, if the HD800 is, say, a 10, the K3003 is a 9 and the ER4S is a good 6 (or 6.5).

 

One last thing I think I should mention: I believe I have a perfect fit with my 4S, ie I do hear the bass very, very clearly, hence one reason I don't really want any changes there (at least at this stage). Change the fit  / insertion (I've tried that already) and the 4S sounds off, really off—never mind soundstage, it's just really off, thin, bright and severely lacking bass. I even listened to some Kanye West on my 4Ss last night and there was a bit of brain rattling, or so-called rumble. Why mention this? I've noticed that SS perception has a lot to do with how frequencies blend, among other things.

 

On a side note, have I mentioned that detail retrieval is simply superb on the ER4S?

post #2432 of 5010
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So, several people have described the HD800's SS as being very vast. I don't find it that vast, tbh, but it's certainly very open, and I think this is often more dependent on the album you happen play—how it was recorded, placement of mics, etc—, your state of mind at any given time, and other variables.

Okay, then, since you put me on the spot, here you go: to me, if the HD800 is, say, a 10, the K3003 is a 9 and the ER4S is a good 6 (or 6.5).

Yes, absolutely. No misconceptions here about any earphone/headphone being significantly "spacious sounding" all by itself. Air, space, imaging, ambience, etc. are 95% contained in the recording (and usually have been intentionally, artificially added during mixing/mastering).

And thank you for your subjective ratings. Thats what I wanted to know biggrin.gif
Edited by palmfish - 9/7/13 at 9:23am
post #2433 of 5010
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Anyone want to trade a EX600 for an ER4P?

post #2434 of 5010
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 Thats what I wanted to know biggrin.gif

 

So, what are you waiting for, then? Go on and order those ER4S—Now!—and then come and tell our cheerful sparrow that his SS comments were waaaay off the mark.

 

http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/The+Turn+Of+A+Friendly+Card/2SQlEn?src=5

post #2435 of 5010
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So, what are you waiting for, then? Go on and order those ER4S—Now!—and then come and tell our cheerful sparrow that his SS comments were waaaay off the mark.

http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/The+Turn+Of+A+Friendly+Card/2SQlEn?src=5

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post #2436 of 5010

@music_4321, How is the instrument separation on busy tracks?

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^   Impressive.

post #2438 of 5010
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So, what are you waiting for, then? Go on and order those ER4S—Now!—and then come and tell our cheerful sparrow that his SS comments were waaaay off the mark.

http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/The+Turn+Of+A+Friendly+Card/2SQlEn?src=5

The ss is decent, but it definitely improves at least on mark for me with the comply tips. Very deep insertion. No eq needed for bass with these either. I still think it perfects them, but it doesn't sound like there's anything missing in the bass at all. Just a tad low on sub bass volume. But i'm listening more with no eq using the complys.
post #2439 of 5010

Three days in and I simply love the ER4S' sonics — love the FR as is. Still kicking myself for having waited so long to try this absolutely terrific IEM.

 

The cable, though, is proving to be a bit of a pain (microphonics and weight [don't like using a shirt-clip]).

 

1.  Anyone tried these by any chance? I have a spare ES Westone-type cable which I love as it's very light and absolutely non-microphonic.

 

 

 

 

 

Now, I already know the seller offers adaptors for the all different ER4 models so I know I'd have to order the S one.

 

2.  Can anyone confirm sonics are not altered at all?

 

3.  Is fit affected somehow?

 

4.  Is a cable-over-the-ear fit possible with these adaptors? I'm guessing it is.

 

5.  Are the ER4S adaptors that difficult to remove? I've tried removing them but they seem to be very, very tight and I don't want to risk breaking them or damaging the prongs (yes, tried doing so very carefully AND patiently by holding both the connectors and housings very firmly, but to no avail).

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I don't like the ER4S now...
post #2441 of 5010

I like it a little more, then.

post #2442 of 5010
Then now I hate it
post #2443 of 5010
LOL
post #2444 of 5010
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

Three days in and I simply love the ER4S' sonics — love the FR as is. Still kicking myself for having waited so long to try this absolutely terrific IEM.

The cable, though, is proving to be a bit of a pain (microphonics and weight [don't like using a shirt-clip]).

1.  Anyone tried these by any chance? I have a spare ES Westone-type cable which I love as it's very light and absolutely non-microphonic.











Now, I already know the seller offers adaptors for the all different ER4 models so I know I'd have to order the S one.

2.  Can anyone confirm sonics are not altered at all?

3.  Is fit affected somehow?

4.  Is a cable-over-the-ear fit possible with these adaptors? I'm guessing it is.

5.  Are the ER4S adaptors that difficult to remove? I've tried removing them but they seem to be very, very tight and I don't want to risk breaking them or damaging the prongs (yes, tried doing so very carefully AND patiently by holding both the connectors and housings very firmly, but to no avail).

1. I've definitely tried those.

2. Sonics were not perceptibly altered to me.

3. Fit is affected. With as deep a fit as I need, the angled adapter hit part of my ear when wearing over the ear, making it slightly uncomfortable for any length of time.

4. See 3.

5. Yes the ER4S cable is ridiculously difficult to remove. Removing it is possible by putting a flat object between the housing and the cable and prying then apart. It is a risk though and etymotic has stated that the cable is not supposed to be user-removable.

6. (Bonus) I'm not sure how the adapters fit with Westone cable specifically, but with the UE cable the fit between the adapter and the cable tended to be a bit loose. It held fine for the most part, but needed to be pushed into a more secure fit from time to time, especially when on the move.
post #2445 of 5010

My experience has been that the sharp corners dig into your ears.

I filled mine down to a more rounded shape that blends better with the cable and the iem cylinder.

I say that there is a sonic influence from the adapter, but then it can't really be isolated from any influence the different cable may impart.

In my case, the silver dragon iem cable, along with the now infamous red filter, can be credited with a positive sonic influence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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