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Absolutely brilliant rendering of this track by the ER4S: http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/09+The+Creator+Has+A+Master+Tape/4xVjjx?src=5

 

Chah!  Have you heard steve wilson's new album?  Every track = amazing.  The acoustic guitars don't sound as good in any other earphone.

post #2417 of 4669
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I figured.  Probably do to the complete lack of bass?:-P  they're pretty though ;)

 

You'd actually be surprised how good the bass is, but it does roll-off. Oh, and there's treble roll-off, too, as you probably know already. The PFs are not about their FR, they're quite a bit more than that—quite a bit more—, but I believe this is an ER4 thread, so might as well leave the PFs for another time. If it pleases Mr luisdent, btw, he should know Mr Inks refers to the PFs as "abominations". My advice, therefore, for Mr luisdent is to stay far, far, very far away from the PFs. As for gnarlsagan, I've no idea, but chances are he'd also be pretty disappointed with those lovely Japanese shiny things, which, among other things, offer zero isolation, have no removable cables, have a pretty awkward fit and are pretty expensive.


Edited by music_4321 - 9/6/13 at 5:03pm
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

Chah!  Have you heard steve wilson's new album?  Every track = amazing.  The acoustic guitars don't sound as good in any other earphone.

 

One of the best albums I've heard this year and a stellar recording, BTW.

post #2419 of 4669
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post
 

Absolutely brilliant rendering of this track by the ER4S: http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/09+The+Creator+Has+A+Master+Tape/4xVjjx?src=5

 

 

And so it begins. :p

 

 

 

I really liked the HF5, and I know I'll get the ER4S in the future. Hopefully it resolves the key issues I had with the HF5.

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One of the best albums I've heard this year and a stellar recording, BTW.

 

I do concur.  I can listen to that with no eq with the er4s (I still like my very slight sub bass eq though) and it sounds phenomenal.  If you eq the bass like I do it shouldn't affect the mids at all.  in fact, if a song doesn't have sub bass and you switch between my eq and a flat eq with the same volume precut, you should be able to tell the difference really.

post #2421 of 4669
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You'd actually be surprised how good the bass is, but it does roll-off. Oh, and there's treble roll-off, too, as you probably know already. The PFs are not about their FR, they're quite a bit more than that—quite a bit more—, but I believe this is an ER4 thread, so might as well leave the PFs for another time. If it pleases Mr luisdent, btw, he should know Mr Inks refers to the PFs as "abominations". My advice, therefore, for Mr luisdent is to stay far, far, very far away from the PFs. As for gnarlsagan, I've no idea, but chances are he'd also be pretty disappointed with those lovely Japanese shiny things, which, among other things, offer zero isolation, have no removable cables, have a pretty awkward fit and are pretty expensive.

I'm pretty open minded. I'm guessing i won't like them, even if they're high quality because of the fe. However, i own a pair of small sony speakers from 1970 something that have no bass below, say, 300-400hz, maybe higher, and they sound really incredible. They won't be replacing my infinity system, but they're surprisingly good because of their smooth response, natural presentation and treble extension (not just due to the lacking bass).
post #2422 of 4669
I have the ER4 pt's for a month now , I do a lot of walking so IEM's are a must for me. I listen to iem's on my night shifts too , so I would say I get 20 hours a week using them.
I have everything from Stax Sigma Pros to HD800's to Sony XBA4ip's but for an all rounder these are getting more listening time than any of them.
I prefer the 100 ohms ER4S converter and plug them into my Slee Voyager Headphone Amp. I have converted most of my music collection to 320 kps MP3 and have almost 16000 tracks to choose from on my Ipod Classic.
The background vocals and keyboard and string instruments are superb, on a par with the sound I like from the HD800's but for a lot less money. The sound is exactly what I've been looking for, and as much as I'd expect IEM's to produce. Rather than setting up my ALO PanAm and Slee Novo Amp to my laptop I find myself reaching for the Ipod /Voyager Combo because I am enjoying the sound that much.
They don't have a built in mic for answering phone calls and have way too much microphonics for my liking and are slightly uncomfortable for prolonged wearing but these are minor faults in comparison to how good they sound, how they fit in your pocket, isolate so well and are so affordable for top end headphones.
I now realise I have way too many headphones......
Edited by Takeanidea - 9/6/13 at 9:54pm
post #2423 of 4669
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I really liked the HF5, and I know I'll get the ER4S in the future. Hopefully it resolves the key issues I had with the HF5.

 

I haven't heard the HF5s myself, but chances are the issues you had with it you may still have with the ER4S. I think, for instance, you'd enjoy the ASG-2s more, or even a lot more perhaps. The ER4S signature is one that will not please everyone, or many people even (hence my comment last night of likening the 4S to KC). BUT, if you appreciate this type of signature, with stunningly good mids & treble, and very decent low end, you may really start to dig these phones, or they may be a compliment to your ASG2s. The ER4S, for instance, will not be my main IEM, but it sure will be used quite a bit by our grumpy friend.

 

As an aside, I'm happy to report fit is even easier / better this morning, a piece of cake, in fact (still not the most comfy IEM, but not having comfort issues). I think I'm rather fortunate in that sense because I can easily see these IEMs causing discomfort to other people.

 

Oh, nearly forgot, have I mentioned the midrange?

 

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luisdent, I won't be EQ'ing my 4S until you declare the PFs are some of the best sounding IEMs out there — white lies have never hurt anyone, you know. Joking aside, I'm still really appreciating the 4S as is, possibly because many of the albums I enjoy are very well recorded and/or mastered. Might try some EQ'ing at a later stage, and when I do I'll report my findings.


Edited by music_4321 - 9/7/13 at 6:00am
post #2424 of 4669
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If Mr luisdent heard the PF IX, he'd probably get the shock of his life!

I demand it be up on YouTube. For historical preservation of course.

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I haven't heard the HF5s myself, but chances are the issues you had with it you may still have with the ER4S. I think, for instance, you'd enjoy the ASG-2s more, or even a lot more perhaps. The ER4S signature is one that will not please everyone, or many people even (hence my comment last night of likening the 4S to KC). BUT, if you appreciate this type of signature, with stunningly good mids & treble, and very decent low end, you may really start to dig these phones, or they may be a compliment to your ASG2s. The ER4S, for instance, will not be my main IEM, but it sure will be used quite a bit by our grumpy friend.

I don't know. Eke is a pretty surprising fellow these days. Now I'm not saying Invasion of the Body Snatchers but... Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
post #2425 of 4669
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I haven't heard the HF5s myself, but chances are the issues you had with it you may still have with the ER4S. I think, for instance, you'd enjoy the ASG-2s more, or even a lot more perhaps. The ER4S signature is one that will not please everyone, or many people even (hence my comment last night of likening the 4S to KC). BUT, if you appreciate this type of signature, with stunningly good mids & treble, and very decent low end, you may really start to dig these phones, or they may be a compliment to your ASG2s. The ER4S, for instance, will not be my main IEM, but it sure will be used quite a bit by our grumpy friend.

 

As an aside, I'm happy to report fit is even easier / better this morning, a piece of cake, in fact (still not the most comfy IEM, but not having comfort issues). I think I'm rather fortunate in that sense because I can easily see these IEMs causing discomfort to other people.

 

Oh, nearly forgot, have I mentioned the midrange?

 

 

Oh, the bass was nearly perfect for me with the HF5. I just wanted a touch more extension, and a smoother midrange. And possibly a better soundstage. I called the treble perfection. From a detail and refinement standpoint, I thought it easily stood next to the ASG-2...crazy for a sub-$100 iem (sometimes). 

 

I'd want either the ER4S or the Flat-4 as a breath of cool winter air at times.

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After about 2.5 months without using my HD800s (due to the summer heat), I finally take them out again. The HD800 is the best phone I've ever heard.

 

So, I take out my K3003s, too, and do a quick side-by-side comparison between both Senns & AKGs, using Readiohead's "Climbing Up The Walls". Once again, I'm reminded that if these two phones are not twins sonically, they are very close to being just that. Yes, the K3003 is a pretty impressive phone.

 

Anyway, I then use the same track with the ER4S. Needless to say, I preferred both the Senns & AKGs, but the 4S did incredibly well — after switching, the 4S' midrange grabbed me instantly. Curiously enough, I didn't start craving more bass or a bigger soundstage, though I did notice the difference in those areas; but, the bass as is, the stunning midrange and superb treble still made me enjoy the ER4S a great deal, instantly — soundstage didn't seem claustrophobic at all, not in the least.

 

Quite a feat for a $300 single-BA IEM ($300 isn't cheap at all, btw, but compared to the $1,300 AKGs & $1,400 Senns...). Absolutely remarkable. Once again, hats off to Etymotic and the great ER4S.

post #2427 of 4669
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post
 

After about 2.5 months without using my HD800s (due to the summer heat), I finally take them out again. The HD800 is the best phone I've ever heard.

 

So, I take out my K3003s, too, and do a quick side-by-side comparison between both Senns & AKGs, using Readiohead's "Climbing Up The Walls". Once again, I'm reminded that if these two phones are not twins sonically, they are very close to being just that. Yes, the K3003 is a pretty impressive phone.

 

Anyway, I then use the same track with the ER4S. Needless to say, I preferred both the Senns & AKGs, but the 4S did incredibly well — after switching, the 4S' midrange grabbed me instantly. Curiously enough, I didn't start craving more bass or a bigger soundstage, though I did notice the difference in those areas; but, the bass as is, the stunning midrange and superb treble still made me enjoy the ER4S a great deal, instantly — soundstage didn't seem claustrophobic at all, not in the least.

 

Quite a feat for a $300 single-BA IEM ($300 isn't cheap at all, btw, but compared to the $1,300 AKGs & $1,400 Senns...). Absolutely remarkable. Once again, hats off to Etymotic and the great ER4S.

 

Which filter do you use with your AKG's?

 

I remember when I demoed the K3003 how, with the "reference filter" I was amazed at how large and airy the soundstage seemed and tonally how it reminded me of my HD800. I thought it was an incredible sounded earphone! Side-by-side, my Ety HF5 sounded dull and muffled in comparison. Ive been told the HF5 and ER-4P have a similar sound so I am thinking that the ER-4S is the upgrade path I should take (I'm not going to spend $1000 for IEM's because I use them so infrequently, but $180 for the ER-4 (Ety Upgrade program) is very reasonable).

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^   The reference filter.

 

Bear in mind, though, that others might find the sonic changes I heard more dramatic / pronounced. The big surprise for me, though, was just how quickly 'I didn't miss the K3003s / HD800s' due to the stunning midrange & treble and very, very capable low-end of the 4S, and how, although having a smaller soundstage, it just didn't seem to bother me in the least. I am a mids-head and, to me, a great midrange has to be accompanied by very good treble & bass.

 

Perhaps this big surprise also has to do with the fact I've spent about 6 hours with the 4S in the last 24 hrs, so perhaps my brain very quickly went back into '4S mode'. However, I also instantly enjoyed the HD800s & K3003s once again, and was amazed at just how good and what solid performers these two phones are.


Edited by music_4321 - 9/7/13 at 8:04am
post #2429 of 4669
Thats helpful, thanks.

This may be an unfair question, but considering your subjective impression of headphone soundstage, with 10 being large and 1 being small, where would you rate the ER-4S?

For example, I rate the HD800 an 8.5 and the K3003 a 7.5. I rate the HF-5 a 3.5.
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I went from HF5 to ER4S (ER-4PT + adapter). In terms of sound signature, you know immediately these two come from the same family. While the HF5 is excellent, the ER4S is stupefyingly superb. I never thought a significant improvement is possible on the already splendid HF mids and treble, but the ER4S did it. Fidelity is unequivocally extended up another level, right to the edge without falling over. No improvement to the soundstage, it's still pretty limited on the ER4S. The HF5 is definitely warmer, but for some reason I didn't find its bass wholesome enough. I much prefer the ER4S with a tiny supplement of bass via an amp.

 

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Oh, the bass was nearly perfect for me with the HF5. I just wanted a touch more extension, and a smoother midrange. And possibly a better soundstage. I called the treble perfection. From a detail and refinement standpoint, I thought it easily stood next to the ASG-2...crazy for a sub-$100 iem (sometimes). 

 

I'd want either the ER4S or the Flat-4 as a breath of cool winter air at times.

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