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post #1711 of 4946
I'm on my second mold, third tips with my microsonics customs. If sound quality is paramount i'd personally avoid them. Each new custom attemp has been better, but they all fall short of any of the stock tips.

The newest set is brighter and less bassy than the stock, but if comfort is an issue i'd say they're still decent and more detailed than most iems. But more fatiguing and less bassy. For me also, they aren't "that" comfortable. I'd say a little better than the foam tips. A good amount better than the triple flange though. But i don't forget they're in my ears and the pfe models by phonak disappear after a minute for me.
Edited by luisdent - 6/15/13 at 7:28pm
post #1712 of 4946

Interesting, thanks for the feedback. I've had the HF-5 with tri-flange and like the isolation. They are a bit uncomfrotable but it doesn't really bother me. How does the custom fit compare in terms of isolation?

 

-sheldon

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Originally Posted by sheldonkreger View Post

Interesting, thanks for the feedback. I've had the HF-5 with tri-flange and like the isolation. They are a bit uncomfrotable but it doesn't really bother me. How does the custom fit compare in terms of isolation?

-sheldon

Worse than any stock tips for me. And my new customs are deeper than normal. Still worse. I'd compare them to most silicon iems. The ety tips are just insane isolation if they're in right...
post #1714 of 4946

For me custom molds gives an edge to isolation compared to the tri-flanges. Potential caveats regarding sound quality though.

post #1715 of 4946
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Originally Posted by markanini View Post

For me custom molds gives an edge to isolation compared to the tri-flanges. Potential caveats regarding sound quality though.

 

Your customs are better isolation?  Wow, mine are noticeably less.  As well as quality. :-/

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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

Your customs are better isolation?  Wow, mine are noticeably less.  As well as quality. :-/

My custom tip also offer less isolation than stock tri-flange tips and worse sound... It was more comfortable but I guess mainly from the shallower insertion. Maybe some better made custom tips work better. Personally I won't bother trying that again.
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Can I Join the club?

I purchased my ER4S from a very helpful Head-fier who was willing to ship international for me.

I've had my first Eytmoic ER4S for about an hour now, soon as I put them on became instant fan. They have the tonality and detail I love from an IEM. I was experiencing some channel imbalance to the left, then after blowing air on the filters to the right, so I attempted my first filter change! (lucky there were some included). Sucess! They sounded even clearer than before and balanced left/right. It's going to take some adjusting using triple flange (not my style) but I think once they break in a little I'll be fine (they're new tips) I'm running them with Studio V.

I can happily report 0% hiss due to the 100ohm rating. They need about 20/31 to get moving nicely, ER4S can also be driven by Rocco BA easily enough. Very detailed IEM, I can see why they stood the test of time. Sounds very nice indeed.

Very happy camper.


Edited by H20Fidelity - 6/16/13 at 9:51pm
post #1718 of 4946

Every time I look at getting some ER4's, I talk myself out of it for one reason or another. I had the HF5, but maybe I just didn't have them inserted deep enough, the bass didn't seem accurate to me.

post #1719 of 4946
Welcome to the club H20!
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Welcome to the club H20!

Cheers, very happy with ER4S. Wonderful. beerchug.gif
post #1721 of 4946
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post

Can I Join the club?

I purchased my ER4S from a very helpful Head-fier who was willing to ship international for me.

I've had my first Eytmoic ER4S for about an hour now, soon as I put them on became instant fan. They have the tonality and detail I love from an IEM. I was experiencing some channel imbalance to the left, then after blowing air on the filters to the right, so I attempted my first filter change! (lucky there were some included). Sucess! They sounded even clearer than before and balanced left/right. It's going to take some adjusting using triple flange (not my style) but I think once they break in a little I'll be fine (they're new tips) I'm running them with Studio V.

I can happily report 0% hiss due to the 100ohm rating. They need about 20/31 to get moving nicely, ER4S can also be driven by Rocco BA easily enough. Very detailed IEM, I can see why they stood the test of time. Sounds very nice indeed.

Very happy camper.


Not crazy on the tri flanges myself. That said there are (Johnson & Johnson, I think soft foam triflanges hearing protectors which work great if you hollow them out with a large needle or cardiac syringe tip) Other than that my fave is the comply tips.

post #1722 of 4946
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Originally Posted by mosshorn View Post

Every time I look at getting some ER4's, I talk myself out of it for one reason or another. I had the HF5, but maybe I just didn't have them inserted deep enough, the bass didn't seem accurate to me.

 

I also had the hf5 and sold them because of that exact reason.  While the er4s is somewhat similar in lacking a little sub bass, they are a lot better than the hf5 in my opinion. People will disagree and say they're too similar for the price, but the difference in bass and treble is noticeable to me and is the difference between really flat and not flat. lol

 

I'm a huge fan of the triple flange in every regard except comfort.  They require deep insertion, but you do get a better fit as you get used to them and especially as they soften up a bit.  However, the foam offers excellent comfort and if they're deep enough pretty much the same overall sound.  The comply foam are even more comfortable and allow less depth of insertion, but they do something odd to the treble.  Perhaps soak up some of it like a sponge?  I'm not sure, but they just don't sound "as" good as the stock foam or silicon.  However, with how incredibly easy and comfortable they are, they still provide the best easiest way to get almost 95% of the stock sound, which I would still take over any other iem so far.  Just my to cents...


Edited by luisdent - 6/16/13 at 10:43pm
post #1723 of 4946
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Originally Posted by mosshorn View Post

Every time I look at getting some ER4's, I talk myself out of it for one reason or another. I had the HF5, but maybe I just didn't have them inserted deep enough, the bass didn't seem accurate to me.

I was doing the same thing and finally took the plunge. It was worth it, clearly the best  IEM I currenty own.

post #1724 of 4946

I'd like to add something about the "accuracy" of these vs. other earphones.

 

The ER4S are extremely flat in every area of frequency response except the sub bass.  But even the sub bass rolloff is gradual and smooth.  There are no major bumps or dips in the entire range.  This has one major benefit over other IEMs.  You can easily make them unbelievably flat with a simply bass boost eq that gently rolls into the 80-100 hz area.

 

Other IEMs have so many boughs and troughs throughout the range that it is difficult to EQ them to a flat reference level without a graph to go by, and even then it's difficult.  Even something with a seemingly simple curve adjustment is still not easy to get "really" flat with EQ without using a graph or tool like accudio.  The er4s however is a simple boost smoothly rolled off into the 80-100hz area.  When I say rolled off, I mean there shouldn't be much boost in the 80hz area.  It should be approaching the normal level at that frequency with no more boosting.  As you drop down lower you should gradually increase the bass boost until you're around 5db or so at the 50hz mark roughly.

 

This is easy, because first of all, a lot of devices with bass boosts have a fairly similar boost region.  At least it's not hard to find one with a similar curve with a little effort.  Such as the arrow headstage amp.  And with a parametric EQ it is a 20 second configuration and you're done.  Want more bass?  Raise your eq a tad.  Less?  Lower it a tad.  Try that simplistic fix with any other IEM... Not gonna happen with any that I've seen so far.  So, while none of them are perfect, the er4s is extremely easy to bring to a very neutral state across the board.  And if gnarlsagan is right, the other "slight" (very slight) imperfections in the treble such as 1-3khz or so should be much more reduced using the red? filters.  I plan to try these myself and see how they are.

 

Anyhow, just some thoughts for any potential er4s purchases. :-)  If there was anything I would do again in my IEM search it would be to not go the custom tip route.  Unfortunately, I just don't think it's easy or consistent enough to get the quality I personally would expect.  I would have stuck with the stock tips and/or stock foam or complys.  Lastly, I would have tried EQ sooner.  I've been anti EQ for a while, not because of any supposed lack of quality, but rather, I prefer a consistent sound across my many audio devices.  Doing this with EQ is typically less than optimal.  However, again, with the er4s the eq is so simple, it's easy to apply to any device pretty consistently.  Once I started using the denon EQ on my ipod, I was amazed at the quality.  Then I applied it to my desktop and itunes, etc.  Now I'm a happy man. :-P


Edited by luisdent - 6/16/13 at 10:59pm
post #1725 of 4946
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post

Can I Join the club?

I purchased my ER4S from a very helpful Head-fier who was willing to ship international for me.

I've had my first Eytmoic ER4S for about an hour now, soon as I put them on became instant fan. They have the tonality and detail I love from an IEM. I was experiencing some channel imbalance to the left, then after blowing air on the filters to the right, so I attempted my first filter change! (lucky there were some included). Sucess! They sounded even clearer than before and balanced left/right. It's going to take some adjusting using triple flange (not my style) but I think once they break in a little I'll be fine (they're new tips) I'm running them with Studio V.

I can happily report 0% hiss due to the 100ohm rating. They need about 20/31 to get moving nicely, ER4S can also be driven by Rocco BA easily enough. Very detailed IEM, I can see why they stood the test of time. Sounds very nice indeed.

Very happy camper.


Congrats H2O. Good to get new users to love er4 as it is always being overlooked these days.

This, plus the 334 and re400 are the only iem I would use on a daily basis.
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