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post #1246 of 4586

I will apologize.  This thread is truly for Ety lovers only.  My goal was NOT to some in here and piss on everyone's praise for ER4.  So I guess I should have stayed away.

 

I don't dislike Ety's by any means.  My only point as I browsed this thread was that I have a really hard time (still) proclaiming them as the best of the best after what has been release in the last 5-6 years with multi and even hybrid moving armatures.  But that's what this thread is so I'll take it at that.  Carry on.....

post #1247 of 4586
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post

I will apologize.  This thread is truly for Ety lovers only.  My goal was NOT to some in here and piss on everyone's praise for ER4.  So I guess I should have stayed away.

 

I don't dislike Ety's by any means.  My only point as I browsed this thread was that I have a really hard time (still) proclaiming them as the best of the best after what has been release in the last 5-6 years with multi and even hybrid moving armatures.  But that's what this thread is so I'll take it at that.  Carry on.....

 

Exactly. Still, let us leave them in peace redface.gif

 

We'll be going now beerchug.gif

 

Until next argument  time

post #1248 of 4586
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

Exactly. Still, let us leave them in peace redface.gif


We'll be going now beerchug.gif


Until next argument  time

We should all just admit it... Our stock iPod buds are better than all of these anyway. Why are we wasting our time discussing such things? ;-) As far as drivers go, I can't stand them. They go too fast and never use their blinkers...
post #1249 of 4586

I just got my microsonics custom tips today. Blargh.  I'm sort of disappointed.  I'm wondering if anyone else has had them re-done when they first got them?  They are comfortable and seal well enough, but I was expecting them to go deeper in the ear.  The biggest issue for me right now is the sound.

 

I've been comparing a lot of different music to the triple flange tips.  The bass is consistent with the custom tips, but it's a tad less than the triple flange and also less body to the whole music.  It's like the music is brighter and more open but at the cost of the warmth and body that the music should have.  This results in powerful climaxes of songs sounding a bit fatiguing.  Or a fair amount fatiguing even.

 

I can call them tomorrow, but does anyone know if I can request the tips to be longer so they insert deeper?  Wouldn't make a difference?  One odd thing is that they are very suction dependent.  In other words, if I push them in firmly they cause a suction effect that makes all the bass disappear and everything sounds sort of one dimensional.  If you wiggle them and move them in a way to allow some air back in your canal the pressure is equalized and everything pops into a wider more full sound.  But no matter how much fidgeting I do (i though these would relieve that...) I can't get them to equal the full smooth flatness of the triple flange or even the foamies.

 

Ultimately they end up sounding a bit thin overall and spikey in the treble a bit.  I can give song examples if anyone is interested in details.  But basically, does anyone know if that's just "life", or is it possible they could sound better if re adjusted.  I think the molds seem good enough, but the depth and angle of the channel might have room for improvement.  There is definitely no loss of details.  in fact, they are more detailed, but I believe primarily because they lack the full body of the sound, resulting in a more treble centric sound.  Thus, details seem more apparent in some ways, but at the cost of harshness at moderate volume.

post #1250 of 4586

I'm trying to get used to them and see how it goes, but it's up and down.  As I listen to certain songs it sounds like a slight veil as lifted off the treble compared to the triple flanges.  But then vocals come in and almost always have a sibilant quality to them, no matter what the song.  Certain cymbals and high frequency instruments also come across as sharp and cutting.  With more bass I think it would equalize the treble with everything else and it wouldn't be like that.  However, it seems to have decent low bass.  But the mid bass and mids seems lacking a bit.  This causes vocals to sound more like paper and less full.  Any ideas?

 

I don't want to waste two filters trying the filter mod I read about, as he described the sound of his tips as someone holding their hand over their ears.  Mine is the opposite sort of.  It's like you want to push them in deeper to get a fuller sound, but they don't go deeper, because they are your ear shape...  :-/  I'll be pretty bummed if $115 just went down the drain for nothing...

 

The thing that seems odd is the sharp angle at which the nozzle is aimed agains the silicon channel.  I isn't causing any loss of details, but I wouldn't if it could be what is shaping the sound differently at all?  I pulled the tips back out a bit so they are pointing straight into the channel and not sitting against the edge, but no noticeable difference...

 

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post #1251 of 4586

It sounds like you're not getting the proper seal with your custom tips.  Maybe try a refitting?  Etymotic does have their recommended way to purchase custom tips (http://www.etymotic.com/customfit/index.html).  I'm unsure if the price has gone up, the price is 100 dollars + the impressions.  It may be worth looking into?  Etymotic uses ACS to produce the custom fit tips BTW.

 

A little research brought me to this post (http://www.head-fi.org/t/550773/etymotic-acs-or-microsonic-for-cutom-fit-program#post_7651941).  Might not just be you with the fit issues and Microsonic. 

 

EDIT: it seems my Googling led me to more of your posts :p  That said, this mod may be worth exploring (it may help a bit with the treble issue you are having; or at least that's what the post is conveying): http://www.head-fi.org/t/592088/how-to-make-your-er4-custom-iem-tips-sound-much-better


Edited by tinyman392 - 4/8/13 at 8:46pm
post #1252 of 4586
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

It sounds like you're not getting the proper seal with your custom tips.  Maybe try a refitting?  Etymotic does have their recommended way to purchase custom tips (http://www.etymotic.com/customfit/index.html).  I'm unsure if the price has gone up, the price is 100 dollars + the impressions.  It may be worth looking into?  Etymotic uses ACS to produce the custom fit tips BTW.

 

A little research brought me to this post (http://www.head-fi.org/t/550773/etymotic-acs-or-microsonic-for-cutom-fit-program#post_7651941).  Might not just be you with the fit issues and Microsonic. 

 

EDIT: it seems my Googling led me to more of your posts :p  That said, this mod may be worth exploring (it may help a bit with the treble issue you are having; or at least that's what the post is conveying): http://www.head-fi.org/t/592088/how-to-make-your-er4-custom-iem-tips-sound-much-better

 

I worked specifically with etymotic to get these.  They directed me to the audiologist I went to which is under their program.  They don't use ACS in america.  They said that was a european program.  They even recommended microsonics, because they handle the entire process without me needing to pay two people and mail them myself, etc.

 

In terms of a seal, I don't know if it's a proper seal or not in terms of quality, but when they are in the sound isolation is "pretty much" as good as the other tips.  A lot of isolation.  It just sounds like the difference between two headphones.  Switching back to the triple flange after 30 minutes was like going from the old apple stock earbuds to something with silicon tips that is more full.  Night and day.

 

The triple flange for me sound flat.  Not spikes, not harshness at all.  No sibilance.  Full bass.  The customs sound thin, although they have decent low bass, just not mid bass.  It's like the become more V-shaped.  The treble opens up but becomes very hard to listen to at anything but fairly quiet volumes.  It doesn't sound like the triple flange do when they have a bad seal though, it sounds isolated and sealed, but just as described.  Do you still think it might be the seal?  I'd just keep the triple flange, but the reason I got them in the first place is that the triple flange irritate my ears.  It's like they poke me.  even with the third flange cut.  I deal with it, but I always have sore ears. :-P ha.

 

Anyway, I'm hesitant to waste my filters, because i don't think it will change it enough or in the right way to fix the quality.  Any other thoughts?  I will call them tomorrow for sure and see what they say though.  I feel like they should stand behind the tips.  If they know they might sound better they should say that.  They told me they might not sound better, but they could because of the consistent fit and seal.  But they shouldn't sound worse.  I won't jump to any conclusions until I talk to them.  But I have a bad feeling they'll want me to redo the impressions, but I have another bad feeling that won't fix it.  :-o

post #1253 of 4586

From a flat response with the triple flange, I made a quick eq adjustment to mimic the basic difference the custom tips make.  It might even be more boosted in the treble or lowered in the bass, I'm not sure.  I just did this quickly by ear.  But that's basically what they sound like vs. the triple flange.  It seems weird that a bad seal would give me decent low bass but mid/low mid bass....  But I suppose it's possible?

 

 

post #1254 of 4586

The treble spike is likely a combination of the Etys being linear up into the treble range plus shallow insertion, see:http://rinchoi.blogspot.se/2010/05/how-deep-do-you-insert-you-er4.html. Read my post with my correspondence with Don Wilson a few pages back on what correct custom tips should be like: http://www.head-fi.org/t/538615/if-you-still-love-etymotic-er4-this-is-the-thread-for-you/1020#post_9255780


Edited by markanini - 4/9/13 at 5:21pm
post #1255 of 4586
The custom tips look like they do hold the IEMs further out and theres a long silicone tube the sound travels through after it exits the earphone nozzle. This is bound to change the sound. I had a similar experience with custom tips I have for my communication earplugs. Mine werent made for music though, so I assumed it was normal.
Edited by palmfish - 4/9/13 at 5:46pm
post #1256 of 4586
Yeah. They're going to see what they can do about them. I asked if they could make then deeper and have the phone go deeper as well. We'll see.
post #1257 of 4586

I forgot, you're likely getting two treble spikes total. One, as I mentioned earlier, due to shallow insertion. The second due to the distance between the inner tube and the driver.

post #1258 of 4586
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Originally Posted by markanini View Post

I forgot, you're likely getting two treble spikes total. One, as I mentioned earlier, due to shallow insertion. The second due to the distance between the inner tube and the driver.

 

 I assumed the distance the sound travels would have some effect.  Especially considering how deep they normally are.  As for the seal, it seems well sealed in terms of air/suction, but I'm wondering if the seal of the entire molding in the ear is thorough.  In other words, the outer edge might be blocking noise and air, but the inner parts might not make contact all around.  Not sure.  Hopefully they'll be able to modify it or send me a new one.  I've asked specifically to make them deeper as well.  I read the Don Wilson posts.  Does he mean move the filter to the end of the molded tips instead of the headphone like the mod I read about?

post #1259 of 4586

Yes this does in fact appear to be similar to my issue.  It would be boosting the treble, which would give me the exact impression I had that the bass/mids were lower. (yellow = shallow, green = normal)  It even seems to correspond to the exact type of sibilance, where it isn't just vocals, but drums and such because of the range in the 3-6khz (vocals) and also the 10khz (cymbals)...

 


Edited by luisdent - 4/9/13 at 10:46pm
post #1260 of 4586

I have a broken pair of HF5s. This is the second pair that has broken, a bit disappointed because I love the sound. However, I'm seriously considering sending them back and having them replaced with the ER4. I can get the ER4 for $180 that way!

 

http://www.etymotic.com/cs/outwarranty.html

 

"It is not necessary to re-purchase the same earphone or headset product you currently own."

 

Super excited!

 

-sheldon

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