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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post


Similar and cheaper... Not the same thing :-). I had the hf5 it has noticeably less treble detail. Still excellent, again for the price. But the er4s has better treble details and extension, better bass detail and extension and just overall more accuracy/neutrality. I would say the hf5 is for someone wanting a very good affordable iem that isn't worried about absolute best details and accuracy. You get much better than most iems, but the er4s opens up the sound and overall fullness and depth. I wouldn't be happy with the hf5 knowing the er4s exists. The er4p vs the hf5... That's an interesting topic. With the treble of the 4p being less than the 4s, the comparison is closer. But the 4p is still a bit more full while also allowing the upgrade with adapter. These are my views. I highly recommend the hf5 if you are on a budget, aren't a bass head and don't want an amp. Otherwise I'd go with the er4 series. :-)

 

That's quite a detailed comparison. I seem to remember you not even listening to the HF5 due to extreme fit issues...confused.gif

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

That's quite a detailed comparison. I seem to remember you not even listening to the HF5 due to extreme fit issues...confused.gif

I did listen to it for a while. I gave up on it in frustration, because the fit was hard to achieve, and when I did have the proper for the sound wasn't worth the effort of getting the fit for me. However, once I did achieve the proper fit, I got a good seal and listened to them. My review should reflect all of this. I may not have compared them as long as the others, due to the frustration, but I clearly remember their sound. My view of their sound also exactly matched the graphed response. As you'll see from headroom or goldenears, they lack the treble detail and accuracy of the er4s.

I wouldn't say I'm an absolute expert on them, but I have done sound comparison as long as I can remember, and I have a very good memory of the sets I've tried and how they compare. I'm sure others will agree on these differences that have heard them... :-)

One thing you could do if you're considering etymotic is buy them both from etymotic. They have a 30 day satisfaction guarantee. Simply return them if you think the er4s is better. If not, you'll know and you can keep the more affordable pair. :-)
Edited by luisdent - 4/4/13 at 5:23pm
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.ugh sorry, iPod triple posted...
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Guys I just went back to the ER-6 for the first time in months after listening exclusively to the ER4S. I used Mombassa from the Inception soundtrack for comparison, and the ER-6 is not nearly as realistic. The difference is more apparent to me after becoming so acquainted with the 4S, that the ER-6 lacks treble extension, and definition throughout the FR. Snares sound more hollow, and instruments lack separation. The listening experience as a whole seems more one dimensional and less realistic as a result of these shortcomings, and the benefits of the 4S become more apparent. With the red filters on the 4S, it seems that I have more bass than the ER-6, with better sub-bass extension and definitely definition. It's basically a clear step up in every category imo.

 

Fit is also much more difficult with the ER-6, which is something I had forgotten. For some reason it is much less comfortable than the ER4, probably due to its small size which gives it a tendency to go too deep for me. I had the same experience with the hf5. I returned them without ever getting 100% of the fit. The only tips that seem to work for me are the large grey triple flanges with the tips cut off to make a double. Everything else is either much more uncomfortable or degrades the sound. 

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One does have to admit that below 50Hz, the ER4 is quite recessed. Thankfully, the type of music I listen to doesn't have much of any emphasize in those lowest regions. As for the 50-2000Hz region, there are times when I do find myself wanting of a bit more wetness... just a touch more, almost as much as what my formerly owned GR07 used to offer. The GR07's biggest downside for me, was that its heavy bass too often (read: always) stole too much of the midrange's spotlight. Don't even get me started with its treble... it was shreakingly painful at times, not smooth like the ER4.
post #1177 of 4586
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Originally Posted by tigon_ridge View Post

The GR07's biggest downside for me, was that its heavy bass too often (read: always) stole too much of the midrange's spotlight. Don't even get me started with its treble... it was shreakingly painful at times, not smooth like the ER4.

 

I thought i was the only one that found this to be true.  I'm not alone! :-P  I don't know if I'd call the er-4s "quite" recessed, but it does recess down that low.  But from completely neutral it's not that much, but again we get into the discussion of whether the +6 rule should be used and/or how much tactile feel you want vs. actual frequency level neutrality...

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I came up with the best tip mod EVER!!!!!  You won't believe the incredible treble details!  Mind blowing.  Absolutely bright and crisp!  I've never heard so much treble!  You'll love it!  With this tip mod you'll hear details so crisp you can cut hairs with them!  Treble so incredible the mere frequencies traveling out of them could split a diamond in half!  A diamond!  Treble so clear it will make dogs whine!

 

 

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*Disclaimer*:  But seriously.  Don't put them in your ears, you'll never get them out. :-P

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Originally Posted by tigon_ridge View Post

One does have to admit that below 50Hz, the ER4 is quite recessed. Thankfully, the type of music I listen to doesn't have much of any emphasize in those lowest regions. As for the 50-2000Hz region, there are times when I do find myself wanting of a bit more wetness... just a touch more, almost as much as what my formerly owned GR07 used to offer. The GR07's biggest downside for me, was that its heavy bass too often (read: always) stole too much of the midrange's spotlight. Don't even get me started with its treble... it was shreakingly painful at times, not smooth like the ER4.

 

I remember you saying you don't use filters. The right filter would add just the right amount of emphasis imo. Red or orange. Actually I've been on the fence about buying some but the shipping is kind of ridiculous for a small envelope of filters. So I guess I'll make the offer now:

 

Does anyone want filters? I'll buy a bunch and sell them at a fair price on the forums, and no one else will have to deal with stupid shipping fees. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

I came up with the best tip mod EVER!!!!!  You won't believe the incredible treble details!  Mind blowing.  Absolutely bright and crisp!  I've never heard so much treble!  You'll love it!  With this tip mod you'll hear details so crisp you can cut hairs with them!  Treble so incredible the mere frequencies traveling out of them could split a diamond in half!  A diamond!  Treble so clear it will make dogs whine!

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*Disclaimer*:  But seriously.  Don't put them in your ears, you'll never get them out. :-P

 

LOL the logical conclusion.

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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

 

I remember you saying you don't use filters. The right filter would add just the right amount of emphasis imo. Red or orange. Actually I've been on the fence about buying some but the shipping is kind of ridiculous for a small envelope of filters. So I guess I'll make the offer now:

 

Does anyone want filters? I'll buy a bunch and sell them at a fair price on the forums, and no one else will have to deal with stupid shipping fees.

 

Even better, why don't we all get a group collaboration going on a purchase.  Say 5 people or something.  The filters are cheap.  If we all chip in a few dollars each we could all get each filter or more...

 

EDIT:  I guess they would still need to be shipped to eachother... dur... but couldn't they be shipped in an envelope?  We could do something like that to keep the cost down...


Edited by luisdent - 4/4/13 at 7:53pm
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Yeah it would be 45 cents vs 8 bucks or something like that. I guess green, red, and orange would be the most wanted filters. I really need some replacements for myself anyway, so anyone who wants a pair send me a pm and I'll keep a tally. I'll sell them for cost so $1.20 each, or $2.40 for a pair (for a 2 cent convenience fee lol). Get em while they're hot! 

post #1182 of 4586
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

I remember you saying you don't use filters. The right filter would add just the right amount of emphasis imo.

No worries. smily_headphones1.gif I can really careless for the frequencies below 40Hz, anyways. Those frequencies are irrelevant to me.
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I want to buy a p to s converter.. Can I buy anyone one on ebay.. Or is it best to get one straight from etymotic..? Please help lol
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Originally Posted by pacman46 View Post

I want to buy a p to s converter.. Can I buy anyone one on ebay.. Or is it best to get one straight from etymotic..? Please help lol

 

The ones on ebay are probably fine.  It's just a resistor(s) in a plastic housing.  As long as the resistors are decent it should be fine.  The only issues might be trying to determine if it is made well and warranty.  Etymotic will cover their adapter for some length of time, and they are even known to be very generous with support.  So you're paying for peace of mind, warranty and guaranteed quality.  However, that isn't to say that it's not possible to get one on ebay.  You could even make one yourself pretty cheap if you can solder. :)

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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

The ones on ebay are probably fine.  It's just a resistor(s) in a plastic housing.  As long as the resistors are decent it should be fine.  The only issues might be trying to determine if it is made well and warranty.  Etymotic will cover their adapter for some length of time, and they are even known to be very generous with support.  So you're paying for peace of mind, warranty and guaranteed quality.  However, that isn't to say that it's not possible to get one on ebay.  You could even make one yourself pretty cheap if you can solder. smily_headphones1.gif
Ok thank you.. That's what I thought too.. The ones on etymotic are expensive for what you get.. But like you said you have piece of mind when buying from them..
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