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Have any of you heard the AKG K3003? How does it compare to the ER-4?

 

I dont own the ER-4 but I do have the ER-6 and HF-5. I used to think the HF-5 sounded wonderful until I auditioned the K3003 back-to-back. The  AKG makes the HF-5 sound like a thick muddy mess.

 

Not a fair fight, I know since the K3003 costs 10X more...

post #1157 of 4246

People describe k3003 as natural whereas the ER4S is analytical. Please read this thread to know what those terms mean. Overall k3003 will be a better all rounder based on what I have read. 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/220770/describing-sound-a-glossary

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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Have any of you heard the AKG K3003? How does it compare to the ER-4?

 

I dont own the ER-4 but I do have the ER-6 and HF-5. I used to think the HF-5 sounded wonderful until I auditioned the K3003 back-to-back. The  AKG makes the HF-5 sound like a thick muddy mess.

 

Not a fair fight, I know since the K3003 costs 10X more...

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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

I think he's adding 6.  According to this golden ears graph, it is -5db at 50hz and -10db at 20hz, but again 20hz is more felt than heard and goldenears adds 6db to "compensate" for the lack of speaker feel (the effectiveness/accuracy of this method has been widely debated).  So if you don't use the 6db boost than the goldenears graph shows the er-4s to be perfectly flat all the way down to 40hz with only a 5db loss at 20hz which is the limit of hearing.  That puts 30hz around 2.5db low.  That's very accurate.




There's nothing wrong with that if you prefer it (I go back and forth) but accuracy-wise the non 6db boost is the most technically accurate.  That doesn't mean technically accurate sounds the way you want it to.  That's why they probably add the 6db to account for most people who might want that extra bass because of the lack of speaker "feel".

It's sort of like saying when you go to an IEM you're losing the feel but not the frequencies.  Adding more volume in the frequencies might make you think it's more like a speaker, but it's not really adding "quality", because the feel was missing, not the frequencies.

I think we all need to remember that technical accuracy isn't the end all though.  If someone doesn't like the lack of feel and really enjoys the 6db boost or more to "compensate" than more power to them if that makes them enjoy the music.

As for my tip mod.  Here are the non-modded tips inserted as deep as possible.

AppleMark

AppleMark


They were already pretty deep, and I'm not sure if you can tell, but these are even deeper and sound incredible.  So far no problem having the tips more exposed either...

AppleMark

AppleMark

AppleMark


Thanks gnarlsagan!

Lastly, I've tried a butt-load of IEMs and compared as many as possible to the golden ear graphs.  I find their graphs to be extremely accurate in their curve related to the actual sound of the IEM give or take the 6db rule.
That doesn't seem that deep.. When I put mine in you almost can't even see the whole ear piece.. They almost dissappear.
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

People describe k3003 as natural whereas the ER4S is analytical. Please read this thread to know what those terms mean. Overall k3003 will be a better all rounder based on what I have read. 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/220770/describing-sound-a-glossary

The K3003 had an airy openess that I never thought possible from an IEM - they honestly sounded like a very good circumaural headphone. Certainly the HF-5 isnt even remotely competitive.

 

If the ER-4 sounds very similar to the HF-5, then I don't think I am interested in moving up the Etymotic lineup any further.


Edited by palmfish - 4/4/13 at 8:00am
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I don't know where this perception came from that the HF-5 and ER-4 are very close. While they share a similar type of sound (linear), the ER-4 is a pretty big step up in almost all areas. The HF-5 is great for straight out of the phone on the go listening, the ER-4 is good enough to be a reference listening device that scales amazingly when plugged into a high end system. 

 

I don't understand why anyone would go for the K3003 when you can spend a little more and get the JH13.

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Originally Posted by robm321 View Post


I don't understand why anyone would go for the K3003 when you can spend a little more and get the JH13.

For some people, myself included over hyped customs are not the answer! When you look at what goes into making the K3003 and then look at a plastic shell with a few cheap drivers thrown in and marketed as the bees knees that is the JH then suddenly all that metal and design for the 3003 looks cheap in comparison! and remember you still have to pay an audiologist to take a mould of your ear to send JH or any of the other customs which adds even more money to the already crazy price for a lump of plastic with air in it that has the mythical properties of being made for your ear!
Edited by ianmedium - 4/4/13 at 8:13am
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Ive never heard the JH13 but I will look into it based on your suggestion. The K3003 is the first "high-end" IEM Ive ever heard and it blew me away. I never thought I would ever want a "high end" IEM until I auditioned the K3003. Now I am interested, hence my curiosity about how the ER-4 might compare. Does the ER-4 have the open out of head sound of the AKG or is it more in the head and closed sounding like the HF-5?

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I don't think the er4 has a huge soundstage.. It's not the worst I've heard but I think it's more in the head sound.. I've never heard the k3003 I would like to though.. I think they have a ba and a dynamic Driver don't they??
post #1165 of 4246

From above....Uh..no, I'm talking the 1 driver ER4 being one dimensional sounding and the quad-driver UE900 being 3D.

 

I've had the whole Ety line except ER6.  Used them for 1-2 years total.  I always get a great fit.  I think it's one of the easiest fitting IEM's out there.  Very simple.  Just a stright plug/housing.  Whether a tri-flange or the charcoal foam tip.  Very simple to secure a perfect fit everytime, at least for me.  So I'm hearing all the bass that was there for sure.

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I hear lots of bass to.. I think the people who think they have no bass don't get the proper seal needed.. It is a different bass.. Tight and fast not be bloated at all.. I like them alot.. I think they sound amazing.. Specially for just having one driver.. It really took me a while after I got the er4p to hear the bass though.. Either I needed to burn them in or my brain just got use to it.. Either way I think they have lots of.. Or the rite amount of bass I should say..
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Thanks for the link shotgunshane. He's wrong lol
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Ive never heard the JH13 but I will look into it based on your suggestion. The K3003 is the first "high-end" IEM Ive ever heard and it blew me away. I never thought I would ever want a "high end" IEM until I auditioned the K3003. Now I am interested, hence my curiosity about how the ER-4 might compare. Does the ER-4 have the open out of head sound of the AKG or is it more in the head and closed sounding like the HF-5?


ER-4 doesn't have an out of head soundstage. I would definitely look into the JH if you are going to spend that much and willing to get customs YMMV
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I want to buy a p - s converter.. Would it be best to buy it straight from etymotic or will anyone from eBay be good enough?
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Originally Posted by robm321 View Post

I don't know where this perception came from that the HF-5 and ER-4 are very close. While they share a similar type of sound (linear), the ER-4 is a pretty big step up in almost all areas. 

 

Actually, I got it from the ljokerl multi-IEM roundup...

 

"One of the biggest problems of the ER-4S is the HF5, which can compete with the flagship on several key characteristics and costs just 1/2 as much."

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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

"One of the biggest problems of the ER-4S is the HF5, which can compete with the flagship on several key characteristics and costs just 1/2 as much."

Similar and cheaper... Not the same thing :-). I had the hf5 it has noticeably less treble detail. Still excellent, again for the price. But the er4s has better treble details and extension, better bass detail and extension and just overall more accuracy/neutrality. I would say the hf5 is for someone wanting a very good affordable iem that isn't worried about absolute best details and accuracy. You get much better than most iems, but the er4s opens up the sound and overall fullness and depth. I wouldn't be happy with the hf5 knowing the er4s exists. The er4p vs the hf5... That's an interesting topic. With the treble of the 4p being less than the 4s, the comparison is closer. But the 4p is still a bit more full while also allowing the upgrade with adapter. These are my views. I highly recommend the hf5 if you are on a budget, aren't a bass head and don't want an amp. Otherwise I'd go with the er4 series. :-)
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