Keep in mind the ER4 is strictly a monitor. The thing with the bass is it is very good reproducing bass "tones" but in an effort to reproduce "live" music one would also require a certain element of a tactile emphasis of bass. It's what differentiates bass from treble and midrange. The problem is that the ER4 has none. It can only reproduce bass tones and this is why most people prefer a little more viceral impact which is more realistic.
I concur with your observation. I think I've convinced myself that the bass knob on the ALO RX MK3-B yields a little more bass with the ER4, however. I would guess the same could be said about any form of equalization, however.
Has anyone tried getting them recabled? I mean I know there was APS who offered this, but I dont think he is doing much theses days?
Can they be re cabled? Say you wanted to go to a straight S from a PT etc....
How can it be done? If it could then all those many cable possibility's.......
My undergrad university has a fantastic music program, and regularly put on performances featuring violinists, celloists, etc.
None of the Etys I've tried have been able to capture the feel of the instruments. Sure, the notes are there (mostly. There is zero sub-bass), but what's especially lacking is the "feel" of the instrument. Same goes for larger works. My favorite classical recording is Jochum's 1968 recording of Carmina Burana. I know it very well, and I use it as one of my test tracks for headphones. Here are my notes on Ave Formossissima/O Fortuna
And I'd like to point out that the HF3 has almost double the bass response of the ER-6, which in turn has even more bass than the ER4, if I recall correctly.
I sincerely hesitate to call a phone neutral, when it has such severely recessed bass.
In addition to this, take an album like Mickey Hart's Planet Drum, which is percussion based. The ERs will fail to properly represent the instruments. Heck, even my HD600 fails somewhat due to the less than visceral bass response.
I seriously doubt you've listened to very many iems/headphones.
That's not what I meant. I meant if you listen to it with the mindset that it isn't enough. In other words, if you are listening thinking "is the bass enough? should it be louder? does it sound right?". If you listed to the bass in general it sounds great. This applies to any property of sound on any IEM. Some people don't mind a slight treble rolloff, but then someone mentions it to them and they can never hear details the same again, because they're always analyzing the treble thinking "it is rolled off, i'm missing more details"...
Less than visceral on the HD600? Although it is considered fairly flat in frequency response overall (and I agree with that) I find the HD600 bass to be too much. I eq it lower. Now, it doesn't feel the same as a speaker, as mentioned above, so you might lack some visceral feel, but it doesn't needs more bass. It might seem more realistic and neutral to someone that wants to hear more bass, but that doesn't make it accurately flat. In order to get more bass feeling and the level most people are asking for you have to mask all the other frequencies by nature. That makes them less accurate.
I have to disagree here. I would agree if I had them half way out of my ears or something, but for me they are the only IEM that has ever really sounded like a real instrument with anything i give it. :-o And for the record I record all sorts of real instruments and have a lot of live music experience. :) Just saying. I know i've said it a million times, but I swear some people that think they are getting a good seal still aren't. Also, again, I'm not saying they're perfect, but just closer than anything else in-ear i've heard. :-o
I think you misunderstand me. When I talk about visceral bass, I'm referring to frequencies below 40 Hz that are more felt than heard. You'd be shocked at how much information is down there.
BA based earphones have never really been able to capture this due to their sealed design. The ONLY BA based headphone that I've heard deliver this is the FAD FI-BA-SS, and that was only because its balanced air movement (fancy term for vented BA).
I'm not speaking based on what I want to hear. I'm drawing on my experience as a drummer, and the several live (acoustic) events I've been to.