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post #1036 of 5029

hey,

 

I'm glad you got a good pairing. I found the er4s from ak100 lacked power...i used it also via my glacier amp and just found the ak100 too neutral for the er4s. 

it worked v well with momentums. 

 

I love etymotics myself. So i was disappointed. macbook pro to glacier to er4s is a great mobile setup, but unless I get a more coloured or relaxed amp/or same for new iems

I found the ak100 not to my taste. 

 

What music are you using? 

post #1037 of 5029

Yea I tend to find my self around 65-75 but for me it is just enough to keep me happy. I use the albums I get from society of sound which are 24/48 flac. I highly recommend this album with the Ak100 and er4s combo:

http://www.amazon.com/Dune-Ottmar-Liebert-Luna-Negra/dp/B007RLBHS4

Here is a sampler 

https://soundcloud.com/ottmar/sets/dune-ottmar-liebert

post #1038 of 5029

I find myself loving the ER4P with my RWAK100 much more than with the 75ohms adapter.

post #1039 of 5029
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Originally Posted by uelover View Post

I find myself loving the ER4P with my RWAK100 much more than with the 75ohms adapter.

I dont have the ER4P but I do have the ACS T15 which also pairs really good with AK100 however the treble is nowhere as good as the ER4S but it has better bass, larger quantity. 

post #1040 of 5029
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

I dont have the ER4P but I do have the ACS T15 which also pairs really good with AK100 however the treble is nowhere as good as the ER4S but it has better bass, larger quantity. 

 

I find the ER4P with 75 ohms adapter (I assume it sounds similar to the ER4S) to be too forward sounding in its upper mids and the bass to be a little too lean. The ER4P seems to be less forward sounding and with better bass quantity, making it more pleasant for music listening.

 

I am curious as to how the ER4B sounds like though.

post #1041 of 5029

I find it more difficult to listen to the ER-4PT without the 4S adapter. The 4S adapter really does restore the clarity and the treble and bass are further extended with more even tonal balance through and through. I was listening to my AKG K 702 for a long time now to burn them in, but I feel like I'm missing out on the sound now that I'm listening to the ER-4PT/S combination. These are my most accurate IEMs and headphones for that matter. The K 702 are a very close second, but the ER-4PT/S is tops right now. I wish I had better full sized headphones, but I don't and I don't plan to get anything else until later this year during Black Friday or Christmas. I've heard a couple of top of the line UIEMs and none come as close as the ER-4S in terms of accuracy. It is very close to the Ultimate Ears Reference Monitors with the universal fit option that I tried last weekend in NYC. This is the kind of sound that I go for. Mine are my favorite headphones right now. These are near and dear to my heart and ears.
 

edit:

 

I find the ER-4S to be 92% accurate

The ER-4PT is 86% accurate

The AKG K 702 is about 80% accurate

 

For me, accuracy is defined by neutrality, clarity, and transparency along with resolution. The ER-4S is the closest to that definition. The ER-4PT is behind because it does not have extended trebles and there is a slight bass boost. There's also a loss in resolution. The K 702 has a softer and more polite neutral sound that is fairly accurate, but it is not nearly as realistic as the ER-4S. I feel like I'm only getting a portion of the accuracy when I listen to them. I think that they're good headphones, but I'm starting to notice the glaring differences. The ER-4S is more involving. It's got the accuracy nailed so the timbres and tonal balance are correct to my ears.

 

I don't like bass heavy headphones or earphones like the Monster Beats. They're not accurate from top to bottom. I think they are expensive too.

 

The ER-4S are better than my Ue-18 pro by a wide margin. The Ue-18 pro has problems with frequency incoherence and tonal imbalance as the dual bass woofer drivers are tuned up significantly to provide a more solid foundation to the music. They feel like I'm listening to subwoofers in my ears. On choral mass music, I can hear the disjointed irregularities especially during louder fortissimo sections. Everything gets stuck together like a big mess of incoherence. The ER-4S don't have that problem. They don't have the headroom of the Ue-18 pro, but I'd prefer a leaner sound that commits sins of omission rather than a fuller and richer sound that commits sins of commission.

 

I'll keep both of them for a few years, but I can easily reach for the ER-4S more frequently when I want to hear the truth in a recording.


Edited by Leslie Dorner - 3/18/13 at 8:56pm
post #1042 of 5029

I recently bought a 75 ohm adapter from a local DIY guy, and there is a problem with the sound. It's like the stereo connection is loose. Usually the higher parts of guitar and piano are like... disappeared, it's like a big dip. I push the ER4P's jack even harder into the adapter and the sound returned to normal, but when I let it go the sound disappeared again. I tried with some other earphones and other 3.5mm extension cable, and those cables were fine. It's like my ER4P has somewhat short jack or something. But with my mp3 player, my cellphone etc. I don't have any problem with my ER4P jack. So what should I do now? Is it my ER4P that is problematic or is it the adapter?

post #1043 of 5029

Yes I love the ER-4S! I have seen a particular IEM list that has the P version mentioned, but not the S,and was given a low score that doesnt make sense with the other IEMs sinilar in score. I think that is what puts people off, plus its old. However, you really cant beat the brutally honest IEM that is the ER-4S for anywhere near its price. Add in customer/warranty service and its a no-brainer.

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Originally Posted by Leslie Dorner View Post

I find it more difficult to listen to the ER-4PT without the 4S adapter. The 4S adapter really does restore the clarity and the treble and bass are further extended with more even tonal balance through and through. I was listening to my AKG K 702 for a long time now to burn them in, but I feel like I'm missing out on the sound now that I'm listening to the ER-4PT/S combination. These are my most accurate IEMs and headphones for that matter. The K 702 are a very close second, but the ER-4PT/S is tops right now. I wish I had better full sized headphones, but I don't and I don't plan to get anything else until later this year during Black Friday or Christmas. I've heard a couple of top of the line UIEMs and none come as close as the ER-4S in terms of accuracy. It is very close to the Ultimate Ears Reference Monitors with the universal fit option that I tried last weekend in NYC. This is the kind of sound that I go for. Mine are my favorite headphones right now. These are near and dear to my heart and ears.
 

edit:

 

I find the ER-4S to be 92% accurate

The ER-4PT is 86% accurate

The AKG K 702 is about 80% accurate

 

For me, accuracy is defined by neutrality, clarity, and transparency along with resolution. The ER-4S is the closest to that definition. The ER-4PT is behind because it does not have extended trebles and there is a slight bass boost. There's also a loss in resolution. The K 702 has a softer and more polite neutral sound that is fairly accurate, but it is not nearly as realistic as the ER-4S. I feel like I'm only getting a portion of the accuracy when I listen to them. I think that they're good headphones, but I'm starting to notice the glaring differences. The ER-4S is more involving. It's got the accuracy nailed so the timbres and tonal balance are correct to my ears.

 

I don't like bass heavy headphones or earphones like the Monster Beats. They're not accurate from top to bottom. I think they are expensive too.

 

The ER-4S are better than my Ue-18 pro by a wide margin. The Ue-18 pro has problems with frequency incoherence and tonal imbalance as the dual bass woofer drivers are tuned up significantly to provide a more solid foundation to the music. They feel like I'm listening to subwoofers in my ears. On choral mass music, I can hear the disjointed irregularities especially during louder fortissimo sections. Everything gets stuck together like a big mess of incoherence. The ER-4S don't have that problem. They don't have the headroom of the Ue-18 pro, but I'd prefer a leaner sound that commits sins of omission rather than a fuller and richer sound that commits sins of commission.

post #1044 of 5029
Thread Starter 

I am not sure if it was in this one, but in an interview with the Etymotic founder Mead KIllion that I recently happened to come across on another forum somewhere, Mr. Killion claimed that the only headphone he had heard that can match ER4S in sound quality (accuracy?) is the Sennheiser Orpheus. But he said that while Orpheus is great and all, it's not really better than the Etys, just different. etysmile.gif wink.gif

post #1045 of 5029
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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post

I am not sure if it was in this one, but in an interview with the Etymotic founder Mead KIllion that I recently happened to come across on another forum somewhere, Mr. Killion claimed that the only headphone he had heard that can match ER4S in sound quality (accuracy?) is the Sennheiser Orpheus. But he said that while Orpheus is great and all, it's not really better than the Etys, just different. etysmile.gifwink.gif
Not having had the opportunity to listen to the white whale that is Orpheus, i would believe him in terms of accuracy. I can find a fault on the ER-4S mo matter hard i try to make it sound inaccurate. Maybe the impact of a kick drum, but ill be damned if it isnt the tightest one ive heard.
post #1046 of 5029
Thread Starter 

Here's the interview, Google translated from Russian. Apparently it was Mead Killion's interview with some Russian guy. You can find his brief comparison with the Orpheus somewhere in the middle. Basically, I think he just said that ER4 had a close frequency response to the Orpheus, although from the way he said it, it seems like he meant more than that. Whatever. Maybe you guys can figure it out better. If he just meant frequency response, that seems kinda lame to me though.


Edited by Pianist - 3/19/13 at 9:35pm
post #1047 of 5029

Has anyone bought the triple flange tips from Etymotic? If so are they the same as the original tips found in the pack it came with

Reason being I have purchased the "same" tips from Amazon and frankly they weren't the same at all. Slightly darker grey in colour as the original was more whiteish, also the original was slightly thicker rubber and sealed way better...

I want to buy from Etymotic but if they also send me these other type well I just dont care for them.

post #1048 of 5029
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Originally Posted by maguire View Post

Has anyone bought the triple flange tips from Etymotic? If so are they the same as the original tips found in the pack it came with

Reason being I have purchased the "same" tips from Amazon and frankly they weren't the same at all. Slightly darker grey in colour as the original was more whiteish, also the original was slightly thicker rubber and sealed way better...

I want to buy from Etymotic but if they also send me these other type well I just dont care for them.

I got a load of those when i ordered my er4s, all still unused. i use comply foam only. I find them the best personally for comfort. I could post over my spares for cost of postage? PM if interested. Im UK so may

take a week. 

post #1049 of 5029
Quote:
Originally Posted by maguire View Post

Has anyone bought the triple flange tips from Etymotic? If so are they the same as the original tips found in the pack it came with
Reason being I have purchased the "same" tips from Amazon and frankly they weren't the same at all. Slightly darker grey in colour as the original was more whiteish, also the original was slightly thicker rubber and sealed way better...
I want to buy from Etymotic but if they also send me these other type well I just dont care for them.
Etymotic actually makes different sizes, so that is probably what you bought but it wasnt advertised properly on amazon. go to the Etymotic website and translate what tips youre looking for from there. Good luck.
post #1050 of 5029

Thanks brunk, wow did not know the triple flange tips come in diff sizes.

Also on a side note, I would like to make my ER4PT into S only. Do I just order an S cable from Etymotic?

I dont want to costantly use the adapter, also prefer the S sound.

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