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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

Hello hopefully some kind head-fi'er can give me some help or advice

 

I currently aquired my old mans Rega P3 and would love to get it going again but it has a couple problems

 

Before I start let me state that this thing must be atleast 15 years old probably more

 

The first being that the output cable has broken and needs to be replaced, I dont think I could do that myself, mostly because I dont have a soldering iron.

 

Im sure it needs new parts but honestly I dont know much about turntables other than how to play them.

 

I would probably need a new "needle" ? Maybe Someone could suggest something decent that isnt goinbg to be expensive.

 

I think the best thing for me would be to find someone with experience who could go over it and replace the cables.  I would love if it was someone local I am in the Vancouver BC area.

 

Thanks.

post #2 of 21
The cable coming out of the arm can be replaced. You can mail it to a number of people who will do the job. I had a RB300 arm recabled a few years back at (IIRC) www.britaudio.com. Rega runs the ground on the left channel for some reason, so I had mine recabled with a tradiional ground.

You're going to want to put a new belt on the deck. You can find them for $10-$20 or so and you can easily do this yourself. It's just stretching a rubber band around two wheels. Also change the bearing oil. I like to use Mobil 1 synthetic - the same stuff you put in a car. High quality and cheap; get the 5W-30. A quart will last forever.

You can spend whatever you want on a cartridge. For an easy installation without alignment tools, etc., get one of the Rega cartridges. They have an extra screw which gives perfect alignment. Otherwise, you'll have to learn how to align a cartridge. It's a pain, but can be done.

Pick up a level, too, so you can level out the deck.

And that should do it. Don't worry about the age. Rega decks go and go and go. A little maintenance and you'll have a fine deck!

Have you looked into a phono preamp yet? You need one. I started out with the NAD PP2 - great value for the money. Of course, you can spend what you like on one.

There are a bunch of upgrades and tweaks available, too. I think the Groovetracer subplatter is really nice, and the J.A. Michell Tecnoweight is a terrific upgrade.

Have fun and enjoy your P3 - it is a terrific turntable!
post #3 of 21

Great Turntable and great Advice from UE....Should last you a long time..........One thing, Does it have the RB300 tone arm or is old enough to have the s shaped arm that rega used before they made, what many have said was the best decision to spend the bucks and make the RB300 mold.......God only knows how many they've sold or other TT manufactures have used their arms...even on big buck tables.........good luck..

post #4 of 21

Another source of help would be rega themselves (rega.co.uk). The site also lists distributors and there's one in Canada. This might not be the cheapest way of tidying up your P3, but I'm sure they will be able to give good advise if the diy route doesn't work out.

 

The original P2 was my first "proper" turntable and I was so impressed that I immediately upgraded to the P3. A great turntable for the money.

 

post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by TheBigHead View Post

Hello hopefully some kind head-fi'er can give me some help or advice

 

I currently aquired my old mans Rega P3 and would love to get it going again but it has a couple problems

 

Before I start let me state that this thing must be atleast 15 years old probably more

 

The first being that the output cable has broken and needs to be replaced, I dont think I could do that myself, mostly because I dont have a soldering iron.

 

Im sure it needs new parts but honestly I dont know much about turntables other than how to play them.

 

I would probably need a new "needle" ? Maybe Someone could suggest something decent that isnt goinbg to be expensive.

 

I think the best thing for me would be to find someone with experience who could go over it and replace the cables.  I would love if it was someone local I am in the Vancouver BC area.

 

Thanks.



15 years old? It is practically new :)

 

You say the output cable is broken and probably needs replaced, but you do not say where it is broken. If it is broken at the plugs then just a new pair of plugs soldered on. A common place for the cable to break is where it comes out of the arm pillar at the bottom. Sometimes that can be resolved fairly easily. You can speak to one of the companies suggested but beware of being "sold up" into putting some kind of "upmarket" cable into the arm. A good standard copper cable in the Rega arm will work as well as any other. The standard Rega cable is absolutely fine for the job so if you can get it fixed for less than a recable you will have saved some money to no loss.

 

You will need a new needle :) In fact you will be wanting a cartridge and stylus. I think a good place in the US  for this is The Needle Doctor. If you sort that webpage by price I think you'll see the cheapest at the top. At the lower end of the market you have the "Moving Magnet" cartridges. It is good to get ones that are not too compliant as the Rega arm has quite a high mass. Fortunately the cheaper MM cartridges are not too compliant. Which one? These days it is impossible to test them out really, but for a lively sound Audio-Technica 95E, talking very broadly the Ortofon cartridges can be a bit more civilised.

 

post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 

Wow thanks for all hte input so far, I am at work and will hopefully get some time to read through this properly at lunch.

 

post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 

So i was looking at "The Needle Doctor" and was thinking that this might be alright, what do you think?

 

http://www.needledoctor.com/Rega-RP1-Upgrade-Kit?sc=2&category=180

 

Comes with the Cartridge and Belt plus the felt, and it looks to be cheaper than buying the Cart and Belt seperately.

 

 

If I remember Correctly both cables that come out of the turntable are still hanging out but one of them is missing the end, so I should probably just get the ends replaced?

 

Looking at phono pre-amps

 

would this work well?

 

http://www.needledoctor.com/Needle-Doctor-Phono-Preamps-and-Stereo-Phono-Preamps-1-800-229-0644-Audio-Technica-PEQ3-Phono-Preamp

 

Its on sale for like 43$ and it sounds like it got decent review.

 

I tried to find the NAD one for sale online but could not find it, does anyone have a link to somewhere that sells it in north america?

 

post #8 of 21

I can't comment on what that upgrade is like, but are you sure what you have is actually broke? Other than the cable, obviously.

 

The simplest thing to just get started is to like-for-like replace the "needle" (stylus) of the existing cartridge is - assuming this is a typical Moving Magnet cartridge with removable stylus. This means that no realignments of any kind are required.

 

Then play some records and see how things go before considering upgrades.

post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 

Ok lol you are going ot have to forgive my newbness,  I did not realize you could replace the needle ( what I now know is called a stylus ) without replacing the whole cartridge.

 

Ill have a look at the cartridge when I get home to see what it is.

 

post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by TheBigHead View Post

Ok lol you are going ot have to forgive my newbness,  I did not realize you could replace the needle ( what I now know is called a stylus ) without replacing the whole cartridge.

 

Ill have a look at the cartridge when I get home to see what it is.

 



Hi

 

Yes, it is a good point by TheAttorney.

 

You might well be able to just replace the stylus. With Moving Magnet cartridges the stylus can nearly always be replaced. They just pull out, but take care when pushing the new one in.

 

You need to know what the current cartridge is of course.

 

If it were me I would check alignment as well. This means using an alignment protractor. As alignment protractors are very cheap things you might want to include one when you buy stuff from, say, The Needle Doctor.

post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by TheBigHead View Post

So i was looking at "The Needle Doctor" and was thinking that this might be alright, what do you think?

 

http://www.needledoctor.com/Rega-RP1-Upgrade-Kit?sc=2&category=180

 

Comes with the Cartridge and Belt plus the felt, and it looks to be cheaper than buying the Cart and Belt seperately.

 

 

If I remember Correctly both cables that come out of the turntable are still hanging out but one of them is missing the end, so I should probably just get the ends replaced?

 

Looking at phono pre-amps

 

would this work well?

 

http://www.needledoctor.com/Needle-Doctor-Phono-Preamps-and-Stereo-Phono-Preamps-1-800-229-0644-Audio-Technica-PEQ3-Phono-Preamp

 

Its on sale for like 43$ and it sounds like it got decent review.

 

I tried to find the NAD one for sale online but could not find it, does anyone have a link to somewhere that sells it in north america?

 



Well that RP1 upgrade kit might well be the way to go. I don't know for sure that the Rega P1 has the same belt as the P3, this would be something just to check out first perhaps.

 

If the arm cable is as you've described, that just one of the plugs is missing then that is a very simple job indeed, you can just replace the plug by any competent electrical fixer who can do this for you.

 

However I think you need to look closely at the cable on your arm. There are  common places for these cables to break. The most usual is the little clips for the cartridge pins. You'll see on the back of the cartridge there are 4 pins and the cable clips on to those. Often the little clips on the cable come adrift. If they are all in place then that is fine. Next look closely at were the cable comes out of the pillar. Is it fine there? The standard Rega cable is good here, but the supposed "upgrade" replacement cables can be very bad here. If you have the original cable in the arm then in all likelihood it is fine where it comes out of the pillar because there is just continuous cable going into the arm.

 

That Audio Technica phono-amp looks like it might well be good for the job.

 

Personally I like to check second-hand possibilities, so you might find something second-hand for this.

 

post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 

I think im going to get the cable fixed first, I found someone locally ( Innovative Audio ) who seem to specialize in vintage gear they say they have replaced and fixed a few of these before.

 

Damn I need a protractor now? Lol, if/when I do order anything I will definately put this on my list.

 

Ill look into some second hand offerings for phono pre amps.  But to be honest I dont really know what I am looking for so ill probably end up back here asking about anything I find tongue.gif

 

Thanks for the help!

post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by TheBigHead View Post

Damn I need a protractor now?



In the olden times hi fi was a very different biz to what it has come to be today :)

post #14 of 21

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Originally Posted by TheBigHead View Post

I think im going to get the cable fixed first, I found someone locally ( Innovative Audio ) who seem to specialize in vintage gear they say they have replaced and fixed a few of these before.

 

Damn I need a protractor now? Lol, if/when I do order anything I will definately put this on my list.

 

Ill look into some second hand offerings for phono pre amps.  But to be honest I dont really know what I am looking for so ill probably end up back here asking about anything I find tongue.gif

 

Thanks for the help!

You might even ask the Guys who fix your cable "RCA Plugs Right and Left" to align your new cart. do they sell any entry level cartridges or stylist for the one you have????  If they don't, maybe google cartridge alignment Gage or protractor...you might get lucky and be able to print it off of the net......You don't need the Latest Fricker (not sure that's the right spelling) http://www.vinylengine.com/cartridge-alignment-protractors.shtml That's not a bad phono pre-amp.....If you get your stylist or cartridge from "The Needle Doctor" ask if he'll make you a GREAT deal on the two items..can't hurt to ask....... PS after the guys fix your rca ends of your cable, ask them if you can hear it!!!!!!!!!!

post #15 of 21
Thread Starter 

I should know the price on getting the cable fixed today.

 

I was reading a little bit about these rega turntables, it sounds like the cable setup is a poor design and alot of people change the way it is grounded when they get work done to the cables.  Is this something I should look at doing while I have it in the shop?  If its in there should I jsut get the whole thing re-cabled?  I think depending on price I would rather do that, I dont really want to haul it back and forth to the repair place a bunch of times.

 

I was looking at the cartridge and it says "Grace" on the front so I am assuming that it isnt a stock rega cartridge.

 

I gather trying to find a stylus might be difficult without knowing everything about the cartridge.

 

 

Hopefully getting the cable repaired is fairly cheap, as I would love to get all these little gadgets and tune up this TT.  I was going through my old mans record collection and there is some pretty cool stuff in there :)

 

 

 

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