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REVIEW: HFI-580 vs. PRO 900 vs. DT770 PRO 80 comparison

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After my initial review of ATH-M50 vs. HFI-580 I was about 80% satisfied and having tasted what a good pair of headphones can do for my collection of music I wanted more. So I delved deeper in search of better sounding cans. My requirements stayed the same as before (closed-back, quality and strong bass, clear, crisp and forwarding mid/high, comfortable to wear for several hours) but this time I had some help with driving the cans, E7/E9 combo.

 

580 has about 120 hours, 770 has about 100 hours, and 900 has about 60 hours on them.

 

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About E7 & E9

 

I’ve been listening on a Mac Pro (work computer) and when using a low ohm cans I can hear a constant hiss (very noticeable when not playing music). E7 completely removed it and played only the music, nothing else. That alone was enough to justify the cost for me as it really bothered me. On top of that, E7 can power all the cans in this review without any problems. There was, however, a limit to how loud it was able to drive. I was able to max out E7 on PRO 900 and wished if it could a little more (not that I would listen to music that loud all the time but I was hoping I was able to push it until my ears couldn’t take it, not the other way wink.gif That’s where E9 stepped in. I’ve read the E9 was powerful enough to drive 600 ohm cans and I have no doubt. Also, as others mentioned E7/E9 combo didn’t add any colors to the sound they produced, very transparent, just louder and cleaner (when loud!).

 

 

Low Frequency

 

PRO 900 – This one has the most bass of all three. Definitely noticeable compared to 580 in quantity. It has strong bass all around (sub, mid and upper). 900 definitely kicks out the most bass-biased sound.

 

DT770 – Sub-bass is on par with PRO 900. Mid and upper bass is behind 900 and 580.Quantity is about the same as 900 in certain frequencies but the depth of bass feels shallower than 900 as well as punchness (due to weaker mid/upper bass, perhaps). For bassheads, this may be a bad thing but this could be good for people who prefer the bass to blend in better with the rest of the frequencies. Because of lack of mid/high bass (where you will feel that ‘kick’), it may sound a bit loose to some.

 

HFI-580 – Bass is tight but not as heavy as 900. Compared to 770, 580 does better with the mid/high bass but 770 projects deeper sub-bass better.

 

 

 

Mid Frequency

 

PRO 900 – I thought 580’s mid was clear as a blue sky but 900 ups it by one. It’s bright and clear. It sounds like there’s nothing standing in between a singer’s mouth and my ears. However, it sounds slightly recessed than 580. Again, I suspect a good part of this is due to bass- and treble-biased sound that is masking the mid.

 

HFI-580 – I quite like the mid on 580 as well. 580 has the most forwarding vocal of all three (it may feels slightly exaggerated even). When I compared it to M50 it was clear that 580 was the winner in clarity and brightness. When compared to 900 side by side, however, I was about to detect a very thin layer of muddiness over it. I wouldn't have been able to tell this apart if I didn't do immediate side-by-side comparison though. It's that minor.

 

DT770 – If 580 had a one thin layer of muddiness, this one has about 2. Not bad in all intents and purposes but against the two very good cans, it falls short a bit. Its mid feels a bit forward than 900 though. This could be due to the bass not eclipsing the mid/high as much as 900 which adds higher dose of bass to the music.

 

 

High

 

Pro 900 – Bright and clear separation of high frequency instruments such as cymbals and electric guitars is its strength. However, in certain songs with very high frequencies, it becomes a bit too bright and sibilant. I wish it was more like 580 when it comes to very high

 

HFI-580 - Yes, I love the high on 580! It's very clear, lively, and bright. I prefer 580 high frequency SQ over the other two as I sense no sibilance and it rolls off the very high freq just right whereas 900 plays all the way.

 

DT770 – This is 770’s weak point. There is not much of high when compared to the other two. Not much to see here, folks so move along.

 

 

Comfort

 

580 is, by far, the worst. Now, I wear glasses so this is a huge factor because pleather is inherently bad with glasses as there’s much less ‘give’ or conformation where the surface and the legs meet. Without glass, I can feel a little improvement but clamping force is still quite high compared to the other two (due to smaller contact patch as well). 770, hands down, is the most comfortable! I love wearing this! 770 has the largest pads of all so that helps as well. 900 is pretty good as well although the foam is a bit stiffer than 770’s.

 

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The headband padding of 770 was the best as it provides all-around padding. I still have a bit of numbness on top of my head after wearing 770(better) and 580 for a couple of hours because of I have a pointy top frown.gif may have to attach more padding on the sides to spread out the pressure.

 

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Sound Stage

 

770 has the widest of all three and 580 has the narrowest. 900 is between the two. I can probably live with all three phones’ sound stages as this is not a top priority for me but there is noticeable in certain music.

 

 

Sound seal and leak

 

580’s strong clamping force with pleather pads provide the most sealing and least sound leak. Sound is barely heard when using these phones. 770 leaks the most. It’s at about 30% of my Grado SR80’s level. 900 falls in between but more towards 770.

 

 

Final Thoughts

 

There is no doubt that PRO 900 is bass biased. Considering this and the fact that I enjoy good bass (I don’t consider myself to be a basshead, however) I love how 900 puts every frequency together nicely to create one beautiful package. Sure there are parts that both 580 and 770 do better but when considering overall package, I prefer 900 over both. This also could mean that I favor the Ultrasone’s SQ and signature as I read that Ultrasone cans are either loved or hated.

 

Is 900 worth almost 3X the price of 580? I would say no as 900 will not give you 2.5x the performance of 580 considering that 580 is hell of value (dare I say more so than ATH-M50 eek.gif BUT there is no other headphones in that range that satisfy most (if not all) of my requirements like 900 does.

 

Also, I would choose 580 if I was on a tight budget. 900 will need an amp to reach its full potential so that will dissuade budget conscious listeners. 580 will not have much problem being driven by MP3 players and sound better. Also, 580 will render low quality music (128kbps) better than 900. 900 really deserves high quality source (FLAC, ALC) as it does very well with tight bottom end and high freq. that usually gets cut off by low bit rate music.

 

I tried to quantify and comment on each aspect of these headphones but in the end the true winner was the one that I couldn’t find any aspect that I feel I have to comment on.

 

 

 

PS. I purposely left out testing with classical music because frankly none of these phones excel with it. Perhaps 580 would be most suitable out of considering it’s more balanced approach. 900 is too bass-biased and 770 is not bright enough to impress anyone. I am sure there are many better, more natural sounding alternatives to these three phones for that genre.

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post #2 of 37

Very nice and detailed review Dougee.  Nice pics as well.

 

You've been on here for a month and already have five cans...Get out while you still can...lol...

 

Cheers

 

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post #3 of 37

Very useful info. Didn't expect 900 to be bassier than 580. Pro 900 looks to have the bass I like, both strong or balanced deep bass and mid and upper bass just like my cheap XB500. :p I'm suprised it's that big in quantity though. I think Pro 900 would have too recessed mids and be too bright for my liking though. Now I'm also getting worried about HFI-580 not having strong enough deep bass compared to upper bass and this has been on my interest list, I like balanced bass (deep/mid/upper bass).

 

You concidered DT770 Pro to not be bright though? For me it was almost too bright already.

post #4 of 37
Amazing review sir! Thank you very much, I will no doubt read it several more times.

Quick question, is the difference between the 580 & 900 soundstage large?
post #5 of 37

Very nice review! Hopefully, this will help people who are looking into buying pro 900s.

post #6 of 37

Great post, thanks for taking the time to write it up. Pro 900 has been on my "want to try" list for a long time.

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Originally Posted by HeatFan12 View Post

Very nice and detailed review Dougee.  Nice pics as well.

 

You've been on here for a month and already have five cans...Get out while you still can...lol...

 

Cheers

 

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Thanks! It's too late, I am afraid very_evil_smiley.gif

However, I think I've reached the plateau so for a while I am going to take it easy. My wallet called and said it's hurting...

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

Very useful info. Didn't expect 900 to be bassier than 580. Pro 900 looks to have the bass I like, both strong or balanced deep bass and mid and upper bass just like my cheap XB500. :p I'm suprised it's that big in quantity though. I think Pro 900 would have too recessed mids and be too bright for my liking though. Now I'm also getting worried about HFI-580 not having strong enough deep bass compared to upper bass and this has been on my interest list, I like balanced bass (deep/mid/upper bass).

 

You concidered DT770 Pro to not be bright though? For me it was almost too bright already.



Hey, RPG, 900 is a bassier one for sure. I didn't have to compare much to see the difference. And, you are correct about recessed mid and bright high. I am fine with the mid but I am hoping the highs will be slightly tamed after a couple of hundred hours (I heard it would so here's hoping!) D770 was not bright at all for my taste and felt somewhat lacking high freq details. If you thought DT770 was bright then I am pretty sure you won't like 900's high.

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Amazing review sir! Thank you very much, I will no doubt read it several more times.

Quick question, is the difference between the 580 & 900 soundstage large?


Slightly noticeable but I wouldn't put it into the "large" category. Being closed-back phones there's a limit on hoe wide they can get and the difference between the two is not enough to sway my decision from one to another. I would never go like "wow, 900's stage is wider than 580!" Different SQ in both also project different feelings about sound stage. 580's more forward mid makes it sound a bit more narrower and 900's pulled back mid makes it sound a bit wider.

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Very nice review! Hopefully, this will help people who are looking into buying pro 900s.



Thanks! 900 was the easiest decision of all, TBH biggrin.gif

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Great post, thanks for taking the time to write it up. Pro 900 has been on my "want to try" list for a long time.


 

If you like punchy bass and bright SQ you will like it. It's one of those phones that you put on and think nothing but "wow, these sound niiiice!"

post #12 of 37

Yea usually more laid-back sound provides better soundstage and instrument separation. I suppose HFI-580 is more warmer/forward sounding overall and Pro 900 is more similar to DT770 Pro in that regard, more laid-back sounding (I'd concider DT770 Pro to be quite laid-back sounding). I personally tend to prefer warm/forward sound signature and I like huge but balanced deep/mid/upper bass and VERY forward mids (I'm actually worried that not even HFI-580 has enough warm/forward mids for my taste) and I tend to like slightly rolled-off/veiled or even "neutral" highs but definitely do not want any emphasized highs,  but it's good to know Pro 900 is definitely not the headphone for my preferred sound signature so it saves me some cash wiping off that headphone from the list. 

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

Yea usually more laid-back sound provides better soundstage and instrument separation. I suppose HFI-580 is more warmer/forward sounding overall and Pro 900 is more similar to DT770 Pro in that regard, more laid-back sounding (I'd concider DT770 Pro to be quite laid-back sounding). I personally tend to prefer warm/forward sound signature and I like huge but balanced deep/mid/upper bass and VERY forward mids (I'm actually worried that not even HFI-580 has enough warm/forward mids for my taste) and I tend to like slightly rolled-off/veiled or even "neutral" highs but definitely do not want any emphasized highs,  but it's good to know Pro 900 is definitely not the headphone for my preferred sound signature so it saves me some cash wiping off that headphone from the list. 

 

DT770 is the most laid back of all IMO. 580 is not and 900 sits in the middle. Even the pads on DT770 is laid back rolleyes.gif which I loved...
 

post #14 of 37

The "Sones need a lot of hours of burn-in.  They change quite a bit.  Out of all my cans they benefit the most.  The burn-in goes in "waves".  They'll sound good, dull, good, dull, then they peak and it's all over...

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The "Sones need a lot of hours of burn-in.  They change quite a bit.  Out of all my cans they benefit the most.  The burn-in goes in "waves".  They'll sound good, dull, good, dull, then they peak and it's all over...



How long would you say it would take to complete? The normal 100 hours don't apply here?

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