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post #961 of 17113

So for a person who has had crappy headphone/earbuds my entire life, is it ok to get the HD600 rather than the 650s or should I wait until the 650 is cheaper again?  The price on 650 just jumped up on amazon and I dont wanna pay for that price when I coudl've gotten it for cheaper.  I was too late in ordering the 650s when I had a chance but the 600 are still $314.  Is that a good price? Also would I notice a difference in quality between the two?  Planning on using it with the e17/e9 combo btw.

post #962 of 17113
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Originally Posted by TheChosen0ne View Post

So for a person who has had crappy headphone/earbuds my entire life, is it ok to get the HD600 rather than the 650s or should I wait until the 650 is cheaper again?  The price on 650 just jumped up on amazon and I dont wanna pay for that price when I coudl've gotten it for cheaper.  I was too late in ordering the 650s when I had a chance but the 600 are still $314.  Is that a good price? Also would I notice a difference in quality between the two?  Planning on using it with the e17/e9 combo btw.


Just saying, the HD600 is not even "related" to the HD650. They are complete opposites in terms of sound signature and imo the HD650 is not even an upgrade from the HD600. I suggest you hear both headphones first before you make a decision. 

post #963 of 17113
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Just saying, the HD600 is not even "related" to the HD650. They are complete opposites in terms of sound signature and imo the HD650 is not even an upgrade from the HD600. I suggest you hear both headphones first before you make a decision. 


I quite strongly disagree that the HD600 and HD 650 are "complete opposite in terms of sound signature". Both the HD650 and HD600 felt more similar to me than different. They do have differences, yes, but I think they're overall quite less important than the differences you'll find between, let's say, a HD650 and a DT 880. And the HD650 actually is strongly related to the HD600, it shares many design principles with it. It's mostly (IMHO) a refinement of the HD600 design in some ways.

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I quite strongly disagree that the HD600 and HD 650 are "complete opposite in terms of sound signature". Both the HD650 and HD600 felt more similar to me than different. They do have differences, yes, but I think they're overall quite less important than the differences you'll find between, let's say, a HD650 and a DT 880. And the HD650 actually is strongly related to the HD600, it shares many design principles with it. It's mostly (IMHO) a refinement of the HD600 design in some ways.


 

Mind sharing more of their similarities and differences in your opinion?

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I quite strongly disagree that the HD600 and HD 650 are "complete opposite in terms of sound signature". Both the HD650 and HD600 felt more similar to me than different. They do have differences, yes, but I think they're overall quite less important than the differences you'll find between, let's say, a HD650 and a DT 880. And the HD650 actually is strongly related to the HD600, it shares many design principles with it. It's mostly (IMHO) a refinement of the HD600 design in some ways.


Very interesting. At the time, I'm auditioning the Shures, HD600, HD650, DT880, LCD-2 and the HD800 side by side. DT880's sound signature can be similar to the HD600 but the HD650 is a whole different species. When I first heard the HD650, these words come to my mind: dark, muddy, fun and laid back. I guess it all goes down to preference (again). Personally for me, I'm not a big fan of dark headphones so as a result, I chose the HD600 over the HD650. 

 

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I prefer to leave comparisons to much better experienced members on the forum, the HD600 vs HD650 is a common subject and many threads can be found on the subject.

I just wanted to say that I think it is an exaggeration to say that they're complete opposites. Different, certainly, but opposites, I don't think so. I find them both quite neutral as far as FR goes, with the HD650 maybe slightly warmer than neutral, though certainly more "full-bodied", "bigger sounding" for some reason - which I think isn't always correlated to a raise in lower frequencies. I also find the HD650 to be slightly more refined, with less "grain".

That's just my 2 cents, but as I said, there are many threads comparing the two all over the web.

Precision : I listened to both the new HD600 and new HD650 on the same rig, and the old HD600 on a different one, for only short periods of time.


Edited by MayaTlab - 1/9/12 at 5:32am
post #967 of 17113
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I prefer to leave comparisons to much better experienced members on the forum, the HD600 vs HD650 is a common subject and many threads can be found on the subject.

I just wanted to say that I think it is an exaggeration to say that they're complete opposites. Different, certainly, but opposites, I don't think so. I find them both quite neutral as far as FR goes, with the HD650 maybe slightly warmer than neutral, though certainly more "full-bodied", "bigger sounding" for some reason - which I think isn't always correlated to a raise in lower frequencies. I also find the HD650 to be slightly more refined, with less "grain".

That's just my 2 cents, but as I said, there are many threads comparing the two all over the web.

Precision : I listened to both the new HD600 and new HD650 on the same rig, and the old HD600 on a different one, for only short periods of time.

 

I agree with most of your points but this is where neutrality is further discussed. To me, that "grain" on the HD600 actually shows how neutral it is. If the music is truly grainy, then the HD600 will sound grainy. Some of my music sounds grainy on the HD600 but when using my DT880, everything smoothens. When listening to classical music, I have no doubt that HD600 is extremely neutral. On the HD650, everything becomes smooth and laid back with no listening fatigue. What is refinement? Smoothness and grainless? If refinement is smoothness and colouring, then yes the HD650 is way more refined than the HD600.

 

 

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Ive compared both HD600 and hd650 side by side and I would say that although they don't sound the same they are definitely cut from the same cloth. I mean the hd650 sounds like an hd600 that is equalized with more bass and less energy at the lower treble region. The HD600 sounds more neutral IMO but the 650 may sound more natural for some because the added bass compensates for the tactile punch people feel when listening to speakers or music played by a live band.

post #969 of 17113

I can agree with that.  A bass hump on a headphone can often times make it sound more akin to speakers than a flat out neutral headphone would.

post #970 of 17113

Oh when you guys talk about grain, I feel the hd600 and 650 to be the same so far as refinement and grain but the fact that the 650 has less low treble makes it seem like it is more refined. It is just a trick LOL. So far as the grain that people hear in the low treble, the hd600s just show you how your upstream components are because the better the system you pair them up with, the less grain you will hear.

post #971 of 17113

One more thing I like about the hd600 is that when their pads flatten with age, the sound approaches the hd650 a little while the 650 becomes too dark and mushy when using old flattened pads. In other words, If you really want to maintain clarity in the hd650, you have to keep on buying brand new pads.

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donunus (autocorrected to donuts, lol), I keep going back to no foams on either side.  Maybe it's because of the listening I do with the HD 800s, but I really prefer that more open, more transparent sound the defoamed HD 600 gives.  Meant to chime in a while ago about that as we were having the discussion and you mentioned liking the foamy version better.

 

I can't detect a difference with the outer foams in or out, maybe it's just a dust cover for the back of the driver.  The ear cup foam though, holy cow does that change the sound a lot.  From an exaggerated dull, to alive and breathing!

post #973 of 17113

They do get brighter with the foam off but the added coloration in the mids bothers me a little. It really depends whether you value the treble more than the mids. As for the hd800 I have yet to hear them. I do get the feeling from your impressions and others that the hd800 will sound brighter yet still sound smooth in the mids.

post #974 of 17113

To the person who thinks the HD650 is better...they're not.  Don't just automatically assume because it's newer and has a higher model number that it's better.

 

They're both great headphones but both have their following for different reasons.  Financially I could have bought the HD650s instead of the HD600 but after hearing both I prefer the 600.

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To the person who thinks the HD650 is better...they're not.  Don't just automatically assume because it's newer and has a higher model number that it's better.

 

They're both great headphones but both have their following for different reasons.  Financially I could have bought the HD650s instead of the HD600 but after hearing both I prefer the 600.



Exactly my thoughts. I was going to get some hd650s too until I got to hear them side by side. Listening to lenny Kravitz older albums like Let Love Rule was more enjoyable for me on the hd650 I gotta admit but I noticed that the hd600 scales better when the quality of the recording is top notch. Patricia Barber for example (typical audiophile testing material) just sounds more dynamic and less drowned out on the hd600s. Actually the only reason that the Lenny was more enjoyable on the 650 for me was that the recording needed more bass. Ultimately people will have to hear the headphones for themselves but I stand by my recommendation that the hd600 is better overall than the hd650 even if they were the same price.

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