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Originally Posted by OJNeg View Post
 

I could only see someone calling the HD600 "slow" or "not hi-fi" if they're coming from something like an HD800 or SR009. Those descriptors are best applied in a relative sense of course

 

But even when going back and forth between my HD800/HD600 it's not what I would call a massacre. Sure the HD800 wins in most technical aspects. You could call it more "hi-fi". The HD600 has a certain bloominess/fatness/muddiness in the bass that is readily apparent when you compare it to something cleaner in the bass. And yes soundstage isn't as wide/deep, imaging isn't as realistic. But the HD600 holds its own. You can compare the HD600 to more than a few "high-end" headphones and it'll utterly destroy them.


There's a reason these babies have been on the market for 2 decades and haven't really lost any of its value; it's just that good :)

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I've got a SilverRay cable for my (APS-modded) HD580.  The cable isn't silver-plated copper, but it appears to be a cocktail of sorts.. primarily 7N-grade silver, with a gold-plated copper & a gold/silver alloy.

 

Regardless of ingredients, I like how it sounds (more) with this silver cable than the HD650 cable.  Make no mistake, they sounded fantastic with the HD650 cable, but I felt there was a certain degree of grain to the sound & midbass was a loose & boomy.  With the silver cable, resolution is definitely better (the fuzz/grain vanished), everything sounds cleaner & clearer.. and bass noticeably tightens up.  With the silver cable, the HD580 sounds extremely well balanced, as clear as I've ever heard it.. and maintains that signature 'Senn' smoothness.

 

Note, the changes aren't drastic, night/day.. but they're noticeable, nonetheless (I don't have 'golden ears' either).  I felt the improvements were certainly worth the (excellent) price.  tdock, I think a silver cable will be beneficial to you.

 

Hi Flysweep,

Can you give me the web address for this Silver Ray cables?

 

Thanks,

Mike

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Originally Posted by OJNeg View Post
 You can compare the HD600 to more than a few "high-end" headphones and it'll utterly destroy them.


There's a reason these babies have been on the market for 2 decades and haven't really lost any of its value; it's just that good :)

+1 Midgetguy & +1 OJneg.  The HD600 is the 1st serious set of HPs I bought, way back in 2002 & I had those until a year ago & sold them only because I wanted a new pair which I still have.  Basically I've had the HD600 for 12-13 years & still use them regularly.  Now let's see, in the past 5 years or so I've owned & sold, the HD800 (2x), HD700, HD598, LCD2 rev2, Tesla t1, Grado Rs1i, DT990/600, the AKG K702 (2x), K702 65s, K712, Shure SRH940.  But all through that I've always enjoyed the HD600 more (also have the HD650 for about 5 years now) & still do.  I like to use the boxing metaphor pound for pound they're just about unbeatable.


Edited by Old Groucho - 11/25/14 at 9:27pm
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Originally Posted by mikek200 View Post
 

 

Hi Flysweep,

Can you give me the web address for this Silver Ray cables?

 

Thanks,

Mike

Wow, that's like a post from 2 years ago. It's made by Chris_himself, but his old site is no longer in use. His new site name is HPL Audio, and the Silver Ray cables no longer exist (at least the name) . I'm not sure which is the equivalent now, but you can ask him directly. 

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Originally Posted by Ophiel View Post
 

Wow, that's like a post from 2 years ago. It's made by Chris_himself, but his old site is no longer in use. His new site name is HPL Audio, and the Silver Ray cables no longer exist (at least the name) . I'm not sure which is the equivalent now, but you can ask him directly. 

Hi Ophiel,

Yes,I just joined the HD600 family,so,I thought I'd start to learn about them ,from the beginning.

Sorry about that,I have a lot of reading to do

Just got my HD600's a week or so ago

 

Tnx,

Mike

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Back in the family for the third time. After two HD580. I've purchased a used HD600 . My HD800 will travel to Colorware during a few days so I need a headphone to replace it. I couldn't thought to a better "downgrade" . Maybe I'll keep it when the HD800 will be back. I consider the HD600 as a reference headphone of the whole market  for both absolute quality and even more for the VFM. :beerchug:

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I just received the Sennheiser HD600 as a Christmas gift a few days ago and I had the chance to try them a little early. Just like I had experienced several months back, I am consistently floored by them. In another thread, I mentioned how I had the chance to demo the HD600 alongside the HD800, HD650, K812, and SRH1540 at Sweetwater in Fort Wayne, Indiana this summer. It is also worth noting that I have previously owned the DT880, DT860, DT990 Pro, DT990 Premium 600-ohm, Q701, SRH940, ATH-m50, HD595 and HD201. I have also thoroughly evaluated the entire Grado line, the Sennheiser Momentum line and PSB M4U 2. Among all these headphones, no other headphone offers better overall enjoyment and accuracy for me than the HD600. Here is a review.

 

 

The Sound

 

Starting from the top: As a flute player, I am attuned to natural metallic resonance and high and extreme treble. To my surprise, the HD600's treble is sharper and more detailed in the high and extreme treble than the DT990, DT880, Q701, DT860 and SRH940 without having their treble peaks. In fact, it has the most believable cymbal purr and reverberation I have heard to date. Kudos to the air around female vocals that is not etched or overly sharp. Treble is dead neutral and clear as day--no veil at all. I am beginning to believe the veil controversy stems from the HD650. The HD650 I also heard had an audible -7 dB deficiency in the extreme treble compared to the HD600. Cymbals did not pop or ping, air around vocals was dead and metallic resonance was muffled. (What was Sennheiser thinking with the HD650? Those are not my cup of tea.)

 

The HD600's midrange is a clear winner. It was once remarked that its midrange rivals that of electrostatic and planar speakers. This is undeniable. There is a holographic realism to sounds, especially vocals and instruments, that makes them float and have a stable, visible image in the soundstage. Its associated soundstage is small in the sense that these headphones do not project further than the original microphone distance. Unlike other models, there is no attempt to have a diminished upper midrange or lower treble followed by a emphasized middle or upper treble to try to simulate a larger than natural listening field. Rather, tonality is crisp and clean with neither a touch too much warmth or extra coolness. Neutrality is simply exquisite.

 

The bass is the weakest area of the HD600 but it is by no means disappointing. It is fast and present when necessary and just a little shy in the lowest registers. The bass does rise very little in the upper bass. However, this rise is only 1 or 2 decibels. It is actually less than my previous Q701 and certainly not distracting like the DT990's upper bass. Its lowest bass is lacking a bit of punch and drive to give absolute perfect verve and life. However, there is no bass hole or irregularities. Meanwhile, the rest of the integrity throughout the rest of the spectrum keeps the sound flowing convincingly. There is just a gradual, smooth roll-off starting around 40 to 50 Hz. Surprisingly, the DT880 sounds worse from its bright treble peak and attenuated upper midrange and lower treble. Astoundingly, only the HD650, ATH-m50 and SRH1540 can reach lower and maintain intensity, while introducing many issues in tonality and neutrality in each case.

 

In the following graph, the orange line is approximately what I hear on the HD600:

 

Recap

 

In short, the HD600 provides the most lifelike, convincing treble and midrange presentation of all dynamic headphones under $1000 with a decent bass performance. By all accounts, the HD600 truly has legendary neutrality and naturalness. Detail and sound remains constant and comfortable at all times at soft, medium and loud volumes. The HD600's are just so balanced and so authentic that they are a proverbial window to the music that lets the dynamics of the recording effortlessly pour through. Unless the HE560 or T90 can offer a more neutral or entertaining listen for me, I am finally at my end-game headphones. Now, back to the music!


Edited by Sonichedgehog360 - Today at 3:22 pm
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Recap

 

In short, the HD600 provides the most lifelike, convincing treble and midrange presentation of all dynamic headphones under $1000 with a decent bass performance. By all accounts, the HD600 truly has legendary neutrality and naturalness. Detail and sound remains constant and comfortable at all times at soft, medium and loud volumes. The HD600's are just so balanced and so authentic that they are a proverbial window to the music that lets the dynamics of the recording effortlessly pour through. Unless the HE560 or T90 can offer a more neutral or entertaining listen for me, I am finally at my end-game headphones. Now, back to the music!

 

Nice review!

What do you think about HD800 compared to HD600?

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Nice review!

What do you think about HD800 compared to HD600?


Certainly better but unjustifiable for me. Tyll at Innerfidelity said the HD800 is like a sonic microscope. I concur. HD800 tears recordings apart mercilessly. I could clearly and effortlessly tell the difference between individual sounds. Acoustic environment, including echo and position; EQ'ing and processing differences. It is almost too revealing. Its bass is much improved over the HD600 and has practically perfect impact.

 

I still prefer the midrange and tonality on the HD600 versus the HD800. HD600 is still extremely detailed without saying everything. It is more detailed than the DT880, SRH940, and Q701 that introduce false detail or treble emphasis and reaches higher in the upper treble. If you are independently wealthy or deal with sound in your career, the HD800 is a worthwhile investment. Otherwise, the HD600 is enough for most audiophile types.


Edited by Sonichedgehog360 - Today at 4:03 pm
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