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Does anyone in France make headphone amps?

Atoll have a new DAC/amp/preamp, the HD100.
It's not cheap (600 euros, I believe), but it's likely very good.
post #7517 of 17133
Just ordered the AKG K702, i will tell you guys what i think of them compared to the Sennheiser HD-600's.
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Just ordered the AKG K702, i will tell you guys what i think of them compared to the Sennheiser HD-600's.

interesting choice, since they really are polar opposite sound signatures.  

post #7519 of 17133
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interesting choice, since they really are polar opposite sound signatures.  
Have you heard both?
post #7520 of 17133
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Have you heard both?


I own the K701 and HD600 and i love the signature of HD600 a lot more.
I just don't have the love to the K701's signature.

post #7521 of 17133
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I own the K701 and HD600 and i love the signature of HD600 a lot more.
I just don't have the love to the K701's signature.

Oops, sounds like a potential FS post. :D

post #7522 of 17133
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interesting choice, since they really are polar opposite sound signatures.  

 

Polar opposite peraphs not that far :p .

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interesting choice, since they really are polar opposite sound signatures.  

 

From my experience they are only polar opposites with some amps (ie, the best and "worst"). The x70x really don't play well with a lot of them, mostly OTL tube amps. On good solid states like Meiers, the gap is smaller - AKGs are nearly as warm, attack sounds more solid (more upper bass on bass notes) and tighter attack and decay (less excess reverb on  the trailing edge of notes), ssoundstage is noticeably a bit wider than the Sennheisers. On an amp like the Burson Soloist, the AKGs come alive with a LOT of dynamic range, where the HD600 isn't that much different on the Meier and the Burson. Considering it doesn't take a $1000 amp to get 99% of the performance of the HD600, the Cantate.2 and the HD600 are still my reference system.

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From my experience they are only polar opposites with some amps (ie, the best and "worst"). The x70x really don't play well with a lot of them, mostly OTL tube amps. On good solid states like Meiers, the gap is smaller - AKGs are nearly as warm, attack sounds more solid (more upper bass on bass notes) and tighter attack and decay (less excess reverb on  the trailing edge of notes), ssoundstage is noticeably a bit wider than the Sennheisers. On an amp like the Burson Soloist, the AKGs come alive with a LOT of dynamic range, where the HD600 isn't that much different on the Meier and the Burson. Considering it doesn't take a $1000 amp to get 99% of the performance of the HD600, the Cantate.2 and the HD600 are still my reference system.

Headphones and IEMs do not have reveberation. Reverb requires springs or other active electronic circuitry. Perhaps you meant something other than reverb? Perhaps rInging on the transition of the waveform?

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Headphones and IEMs do not have reveberation. Reverb requires springs or other active electronic circuitry. Perhaps you meant something other than reverb? Perhaps rInging on the transition of the waveform?

 

Not reverb in the normal sense - I just meant the decay can sometimes sound "loose" even if it isn't necessarily slow or lingering. Is that the same as "ringing on the transition"? If it is I'll use hat one instead from this point forward. :D

post #7526 of 17133
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Not reverb in the normal sense - I just meant the decay can sometimes sound "loose" even if it isn't necessarily slow or lingering. Is that the same as "ringing on the transition"? If it is I'll use hat one instead from this point forward. :D

 

Some reading material

 

Maybe this is what you meant?

http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/doc

 

Headphones are probably too small to generate delays that are this long. Generally you need a room or a hall for this.

http://store.acousticfrontiers.com/Decay-Time.html

 

Probably not the next two links

http://filmsound.org/articles/ninecomponents/9components.htm

http://www.musicarrangers.com/star-theory/t08.htm

 

I skipped reverberation, plates and delay lines as they cannot possibly be in scope.

post #7527 of 17133
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Not reverb in the normal sense - I just meant the decay can sometimes sound "loose" even if it isn't necessarily slow or lingering. Is that the same as "ringing on the transition"? If it is I'll use hat one instead from this point forward. :D

 

I think this is why Dan Clark from MrSpeakers 3-d printed their own cups for the Alpha Dog, since the T50RP shell was causing those kinds of limitations...

post #7528 of 17133
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Oops, sounds like a potential FS post. :D


They are both from my dad so they not going to anywhere :wink_face:

post #7529 of 17133
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They are both from my dad so they not going to anywhere :wink_face:

You don't want to know how many headphones I own and don't get rid of. :D

post #7530 of 17133
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Have you heard both?
No. I'm just going from what I read on a cereal box.

Yes. I've heard both. And both are excellent cans. But IMHO not even remotely close in sound. The senn is lush, warm, intimate and detailed. The akg is much more analytical, dry, cold in its presentation. But, the width of soundstage and giving you every micro detail is the akg strong point. The bass is there, but it's cold and dry, which makes it sound bass lite. Essentially you have to find an amp that colors the akg into what you want.

Having said all that, I love the akg. But it is in no way similar to the senn.
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