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post #7456 of 17147

I understand your angst!  We all want to create the best sound possible for the money (and I have learned truly great sound isn't related to $$$ spent...there are great products at a great price).

 

I too have searched and read and read and read on this.

 

Here is what I have gleaned from my reading...differences are in fact there by going with after market cables.  But the differences are just that, subtle adjustments to the sound.  Cables aren't fixes for more bass or treble or sound staging or detail.  They are simply changes on what you have.

 

So, my thoughts on changing headphone cables is that you should first have a full knowledge of your system i.e., no components should be new and need break-in, adjustment to sound etc.

 

Once you are really happy with your whole system, then tweak from there.

 

Hope this helps.  I have been through this with speaker cables and interconnects and digital cables and I know that it does make a real difference in a speaker set-up.  Seemingly less in a head-phone set-up.

 

Good luck in your search!

post #7457 of 17147
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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post
 
Don't go crazy . Go and read up on why changing the stock cable won't improve the sound quality .

The link please.

post #7458 of 17147
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Originally Posted by bbmiller View Post
 

The link please.

Ask, and it shall not be given you; seek, and ye shall find:D 

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post #7460 of 17147
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

OK, I will provide one link...

http://sound.westhost.com/cables-p3.htm#interconnects

+1

Absolutely correct.

Edit: I measured the capacitance and resistance of my standard HD600 cable. The capacitance was 220 pF, the resistance was negligble compared to the can's 300 Ohm impedance. The cable becomes a factor way above audio, into the world of RF.


Edited by StanD - 5/5/14 at 7:59pm
post #7461 of 17147
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Originally Posted by Vangelis View Post

I still going crazy reading all the posts regarding recabling the HD600. Everyone has a recable that they feel improved the sound of their HD600 but I would really like to hear from someone who tried several cables and preferes one over the other. The Double Helix, the Chamberlian and Cardas are all well regarded. I kinda leaning towards the Double Helix copper since its not supposed to change the perspective. Anyone try several cable and end up with a favorite.?

 

Here's a general cable replacement rule:

1) At least avoid cables that cost more than 1/3 or 1/2 of the headphone's brand new price online.

2) Is your stock cable broken? Is too long? 

a. Not broken - don't sweat it.

b. Yes to all. Get something that isn't that much more expensive, is reasonably flexible, and can be ordered at a shorter length. You don't have to restrict yourself to $300+ cables - some people are making them on eBay and Etsy using 4-conductor microphone cables for example. 

 

 

Also in my case a headphone DIY-er in my area was a lot easier to deal with than the crappy Sennheiser distributor who is known for not stocking spare parts and hung up on me when I called to check for stocks, so paying around $35 for a 1m long, custom-braided silver cable (I had spare Cardas pins and a 6.5mm plug) wasn't a bad deal. Very small improvement in sound that, if my cable wasn't broken, I wouldn't have been excited about considering the total would have been around $60.

post #7462 of 17147

So I got my HD600, $281 new. :normal_smile : I love Ebay...and this headphone!! :basshead:

 

Interestingly, it sounds great(a subjective 8/10) out of my Essence STX soundcard, albeit a bit bright with stock op amps.

 

 

QUESTION 1:

If anyone knows of any sub-$300~ (non-DIY) amps(probably solid state; tubes = muddy) that sound really great/awesome(9/10 or better) with HD600, please let me know! Sadly, I'm not rich enough to order 4 Schiit/etc amps at once to compare right now... :frown: 

 

QUESTION 2:

The HD598 pads work on HD600, right? Do they feel better..?

 

BONUS QUESTION:

Can you tell the difference between something like the Modi and Bifrost with this headphone? (I'd like a new DAC, too, heh)


Edited by CT007 - 5/5/14 at 11:40pm
post #7463 of 17147
It always baffles me when people post "it sounds great. How do I improve it?" Stick some music on and enjoy.
post #7464 of 17147
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Originally Posted by CT007 View Post
 

So I got my HD600, $281 new. :normal_smile : I love Ebay...and this headphone!! :basshead:

 

Interestingly, it sounds great(a subjective 8/10) out of my Essence STX soundcard, albeit a bit bright with stock op amps.

 

 

QUESTION 1:

If anyone knows of any sub-$300~ (non-DIY) amps(probably solid state; tubes = muddy) that sound really great/awesome(9/10 or better) with HD600, please let me know! Sadly, I'm not rich enough to order 4 Schiit/etc amps at once to compare right now... :frown: 

 

QUESTION 2:

The HD598 pads work on HD600, right? Do they feel better..?

 

BONUS QUESTION:

Can you tell the difference between something like the Modi and Bifrost with this headphone? (I'd like a new DAC, too, heh)

1) Contrary to poular myth, IMO the HD600 works well with any good amp. If you don't have a ton of cash to drop, the Vali (tube hybrid) works very well with the HD600, or if you have a bit more to spend the Asgard 2 (SS) is very nice. I prefer the Asgard 2, I have both amps. IMO, people that use the HD600 with mega $ amps and claim to hear vast improvements are using their immaginations more than their senses. If anyone believes otherwise, that's OK with me.

 

2) Don't know about the pads, even though I have an HD600 as well as an HD558

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Bonus) Headphones make the biggest difference as long as your amp or DAC are not crap. The differences you will hear between the Modi and Bifrost are not as big as between headphones. I like my Bifrost but if you are not ready to buy a Bifrost Uber USB the Modi can serve as a good starter DAC, you will not be sad.

post #7465 of 17147
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Originally Posted by CT007 View Post

So I got my HD600, $281 new. normal_smile%20.gif I love Ebay...and this headphone!! basshead.gif

Interestingly, it sounds great(a subjective 8/10) out of my Essence STX soundcard, albeit a bit bright with stock op amps.


QUESTION 1:
If anyone knows of any sub-$300~ (non-DIY) amps(probably solid state; tubes = muddy) that sound really great/awesome(9/10 or better) with HD600, please let me know! Sadly, I'm not rich enough to order 4 Schiit/etc amps at once to compare right now... frown.gif  

QUESTION 2:
The HD598 pads work on HD600, right? Do they feel better..?

BONUS QUESTION:
Can you tell the difference between something like the Modi and Bifrost with this headphone? (I'd like a new DAC, too, heh)

I would consider. GeekOut1000 it is $299. Puts out 1watt of power and it was for difficult HPs like the hd800 and hd600. There is also a 720mW model for $50 less. Check it at mustgeekout.com
post #7466 of 17147
I have had to send a pair of Grado PS1000's in for repair (second time R channel has failed!). So got out my old HD 600's never run them before on my new system. What a joy I can remember why I chose the in the first place now!
post #7467 of 17147
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Originally Posted by eliwankenobi View Post


I would consider. GeekOut1000 it is $299. Puts out 1watt of power and it was for difficult HPs like the hd800 and hd600. There is also a 720mW model for $50 less. Check it at mustgeekout.com

I'm  not saying that the GeekOut would not do the job, however, the HD600 is not a difficult headphone. It does it need anywhere near these power levels, it is load rated for 200mW. Approximately 21 mW will take it to 120 dB SPL,the threshold of pain. All you need is an amp with a low enough impedance as not to be a factor in the HD600's impedance curve and that can reach the voltages required by a 300 Ohm can. There are plenty of amps that meet this criteria that have excellent SQ.

post #7468 of 17147
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Originally Posted by CT007 View Post
 

So I got my HD600, $281 new. :normal_smile : I love Ebay...and this headphone!! :basshead:

 

Interestingly, it sounds great(a subjective 8/10) out of my Essence STX soundcard, albeit a bit bright with stock op amps.

 

 

QUESTION 1:

If anyone knows of any sub-$300~ (non-DIY) amps(probably solid state; tubes = muddy) that sound really great/awesome(9/10 or better) with HD600, please let me know! Sadly, I'm not rich enough to order 4 Schiit/etc amps at once to compare right now... :frown: 

 

QUESTION 2:

The HD598 pads work on HD600, right? Do they feel better..?

 

BONUS QUESTION:

Can you tell the difference between something like the Modi and Bifrost with this headphone? (I'd like a new DAC, too, heh)

I don't know what great guru told you that tubes=muddy.  If that was the case, no one would want them.  even my mid fi tube setup is Far from muddy.  and my fisher 500c stereo amp would make you question your faith.

post #7469 of 17147

The BBs in my Lyr are anything but muddy.

post #7470 of 17147
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Originally Posted by Tuco1965 View Post
 

The BBs in my Lyr are anything but muddy.

That's because you washed your tubes. ;)

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