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post #7306 of 17154
YAY i WON a used pair of the HD 600's for $285, but wont be able to pay for them untill Friday, but i cant wait to get them. I hope my Emotiva Stealth DAC can power these.
post #7307 of 17154
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Originally Posted by Rusty143 View Post

Now I am stuck and seemingly getting even further mired in the myriad of choices of amps and DACs. I have read everything I can, at least Internet forum wise, about amps and DACs.

 

Just get the Schiit Bifrost and Asgard 2.

post #7308 of 17154
Very good advice, Madwolfa! I know this journey, of amp/DAC or just amp will be a bit of a twisty road!!! Sadly, I don't have the money to try this amp and trade up or sideways (I did that with my main system years ago). Fortunately, through all of the upgrading and growth I made in terms of learning what kind of sound I like with my main system, I know what kind of sound I am looking for.

I want to end listening sessions not wanting to take the headphones off. I want to feel like I was there with the artist and connected emotionally with their presentation and interpretation of a piece of music. This is, in my humble opinion, what really good gear can do...it can connect you to the air and nuances of the recording, with lots of detail, without being raw or sharp.

I want an amp or amp DAC combo that is capable of making music, music with emotion and connection.

I made the mistake of looking at the Woo Audio gear. WA3, WA6, WA6-SE (yikes for the money but boy is it hot looking). Also looking at some of the Little Dot gear.

What do those of you that own the HD 600s use to drive them? Any one found audio heaven?

Perhaps it will be the Schiit stuff, Asgaard or Valhalla. I will keep reading and asking for input from those of you with experience.

Thanks again for anything you can throw my way to help me find my piece of sonic heaven!!!
post #7309 of 17154
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Originally Posted by indieman View Post
 

Hello hd600 owners! I'm hoping to be picking up a pair of these soon, and had a very important question for ya'll: Why must these cans be so sexy?

Haha jk, although they do look magnificent (better then hd650 imo). My real questions are: Coming from the hd598 would this be a significant upgrade? And how well would my lil' dragonfly 1.2 dac drive them? Many thanks :)

1. They wouldn't have been around for so long if they weren't so sexy!

2. 598's are classics, and sq is very similar to 600's. Significant is in the ear of the beholder.  The overall fit to me makes them more comfortable in warmer months.  Even at 300 ohms, I can drive these with my iPod 5th gen.

post #7310 of 17154
How do the 600s sound with just the iPod driving them, fiasocgarcia?
post #7311 of 17154
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Originally Posted by Rusty143 View Post

How do the 600s sound with just the iPod driving them, fiasocgarcia?

 

You have to pump it up to full volume to produce enough power at 300ohms, but by that point it's heavily distorted, with woolly bass and sometimes even sharp treble. The iPad has a lot less of this problem to the point of being passable when the power's out over here during a storm.

post #7312 of 17154
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The iPad has a lot less of this problem to the point of being passable when the power's out over here during a storm.

"Passable" is how I'd describe it with the iPad as well. "Tolerable" would also work. Compared to how it can sound with a good amp/source, it's a mere shadow of it's true potential. 

post #7313 of 17154
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What do those of you that own the HD 600s use to drive them?

Violectric V200, Corda Concerto, Oppo105 (HP-out). Overall, I prefer the V200. Good luck.
post #7314 of 17154
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Originally Posted by Rusty143 View Post

Very good advice, Madwolfa! I know this journey, of amp/DAC or just amp will be a bit of a twisty road!!! Sadly, I don't have the money to try this amp and trade up or sideways (I did that with my main system years ago). Fortunately, through all of the upgrading and growth I made in terms of learning what kind of sound I like with my main system, I know what kind of sound I am looking for.

I want to end listening sessions not wanting to take the headphones off. I want to feel like I was there with the artist and connected emotionally with their presentation and interpretation of a piece of music. This is, in my humble opinion, what really good gear can do...it can connect you to the air and nuances of the recording, with lots of detail, without being raw or sharp.

I want an amp or amp DAC combo that is capable of making music, music with emotion and connection.

I made the mistake of looking at the Woo Audio gear. WA3, WA6, WA6-SE (yikes for the money but boy is it hot looking). Also looking at some of the Little Dot gear.

What do those of you that own the HD 600s use to drive them? Any one found audio heaven?

Perhaps it will be the Schiit stuff, Asgaard or Valhalla. I will keep reading and asking for input from those of you with experience.

Thanks again for anything you can throw my way to help me find my piece of sonic heaven!!!
Bottlehead crack with speedball. Very good.
post #7315 of 17154
Hi everyone, new here and very interested in getting some HD 600's, great thread!

As a speaker designer I'm interested in a couple of the points over the last few pages and I have my own opinions on them:

Burn-in - it's real but realistically takes maybe a dozen hours use at a reasonable volume before any changes in compliancy are all done, after that point no measurable changes occur. The "100's of hours thing is most likely just personal adjustment to the sound.

Flat response - It's not the same as a natural response and I'd guess particularly so with headphones. Once you get a few feet from a musical source in a room (instrument, speaker etc) you start to hear more of the room than the source itself. You also get natural frequency decay - low frequencies carrying better over distance than high ones. If a headphone measures flat it would be akin to putting your ear up against an instrument while it's playing, it won't be a natural representation of how you'd listen to it - the mid/bass hump that people have mentioned with the HD 600's is probably a lot closer to that more natural sound you'd expect to hear and ties in with how many better loudspeakers measure from a "normal" listening distance.

That's my view on it anyway for what it's worth! smily_headphones1.gif
post #7316 of 17154
Welcome. Especially with a well informed post like that one! smily_headphones1.gif
post #7317 of 17154
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Originally Posted by Jimrod76 View Post

Burn-in - it's real but realistically takes maybe a dozen hours use at a reasonable volume before any changes in compliancy are all done, after that point no measurable changes occur.

Also, "change" doesn't necessarily mean improvement. wink.gif
post #7318 of 17154
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Originally Posted by pOOB73 View Post

Also, "change" doesn't necessarily mean improvement. wink.gif

Very true - I've found with conventional drive units that the midrange stays constant but the initial running in loosens the spider behind the cone which results in slightly more bass output, and the surround on the cone becomes slightly more flexible which affects the high frequency break-up. All designers would most likely factor this in and development drive-units would have many hundreds of hours on anyway (you'd hope) but nothing to say someone wouldn't prefer a leaner bass and slightly stronger upper mid/low treble, harshness aside.

The basics should remain true for headphone full-range drivers to a large extent, depending on methods used.

Balance is pretty crucial and it's not always in the area where one might expect if there's a problem - recessed mids could be a result of a spike in the treble etc. Headphones should take away many of the variables present with conventional loudspeaker/room interaction but I'd still expect a slightly increased mid/bass and gradually rolled off treble to be a preferable balance to most people - flat generally sounds a little lean and harsh unless the recording is very well mastered, sadly those recordings seem to be rarer than they should be!
Edited by Jimrod76 - 4/21/14 at 9:27am
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Originally Posted by Rusty143 View Post

How do the 600s sound with just the iPod driving them, fiasocgarcia?

 

 

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Originally Posted by ProtegeManiac View Post
 

 

You have to pump it up to full volume to produce enough power at 300ohms, but by that point it's heavily distorted, with woolly bass and sometimes even sharp treble. The iPad has a lot less of this problem to the point of being passable when the power's out over here during a storm.

 

 
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Originally Posted by JoelT View Post
 

"Passable" is how I'd describe it with the iPad as well. "Tolerable" would also work. Compared to how it can sound with a good amp/source, it's a mere shadow of it's true potential. 

 

I guess it depends on the iPod.  The only one I've used without an amp and with the HD600 is my 5.5 video, and it sounds really great.  Having said that, I don't crank up to extremely loud levels but I can play at medium volume with really good SQ (lossless tracks)!


Edited by fiascogarcia - 4/21/14 at 2:10pm
post #7320 of 17154
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Originally Posted by Jimrod76 View Post

Hi everyone, new here and very interested in getting some HD 600's, great thread!

As a speaker designer I'm interested in a couple of the points over the last few pages and I have my own opinions on them:

Burn-in - it's real but realistically takes maybe a dozen hours use at a reasonable volume before any changes in compliancy are all done, after that point no measurable changes occur. The "100's of hours thing is most likely just personal adjustment to the sound.

That's my view on it anyway for what it's worth! smily_headphones1.gif

Jimrod76 - you did not go enough pages back to really see what the reintroduction of burning-in was talking about. I was talking about my hybrid tube amp the Little Dot Mk IV / SE  (se version comes with better tubes) and I am absolutely sure I have witnessed a tremendous improvement after it burned in listening with my Sennheiser HD 600s.

 

The people on the The Little Dot Mk IV / SE  appreciation thread are not impressed with the tubes that come with se. But I am wondering if they gave burning a chance or don't have a se. I would really appreciate comments on if other people on this thread are observing tremendous improvement in tube amp sound after burning-in with their respective tube amps.

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