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Originally Posted by pOOB73 View Post


I thought "neutral" was a flat line frequency response.

 

It's not. Otherwise we would have one single "be all and end all " neutral headphone. 

 

Alas, we do not, as human hearing is not one single flat frequency response curve.

 

Our ears are more sensitive to certain areas of the spectrum.

 

Also:

 

This discussion really belongs in the sound-science sub-forum.

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http://www.head-fi.org/t/715194/neutrality-fidelity

post #7293 of 17113
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Originally Posted by Sonic Atrocity View Post

I am so very intrigued by the HD600 though. Unfortunately, I'm stuck with my KRK 8400 and clip zip until I get a job, and the economy is brutal right now. 
I feel for you man. Having no job is tough. I hope it comes good for you soon.
post #7294 of 17113

I finally assembled my complete first audiophile quality headphone system about the beginning of this month having finally received my DAC and headphone amplifier from China. So my system now includes the Sennheiser HD 600 headphones, the  Little Dot DAC_I Digital to Analog Converter and the Little Dot MK IV with SE better tube option.

 

But something just amazingly happened. From the start my system sounded like the best audio system I had ever listen to. But it just jumped up several notches. I know on this thread I was told the headphones don't burn in much so I guess it must be the DAC or headphone amp, but suddenly it sounds not just better than anything I heard before but sensational. So my concern now turns to keeping it that way as long as possible.

 

So do I need a tube tester? Or if I am simply sold on the way it is now with no tube rolling will it be obvious when the tubes need changing?

 

Another point that you guys may be able to help me out with is why is clocking very important for DAC's? I know the literature for my DAC mentions reducing jitter and perhaps I picked a particularly good DAC (for the price) as a unwitting newbie, but I got interested in clocks for DAC's and am seeking a theoretical article. This is because reading a review of a soundcard the reviewer said sound cards will never be high-end audio equipment no matter how good IC audio to digital converters they tout because as important as digital to audio converters are to a good DAC clocks are very important to and a lot more expensive. So consequently doing a search for DAC's and clocks on head FI I am not seeing any theoretical articles so what's the story? Any theoretical links on clocks and DAC's would be appreciated.


Edited by bbmiller - 4/19/14 at 3:17am
post #7295 of 17113
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Originally Posted by bbmiller View Post

So do I need a tube tester? Or if I am simply sold on the way it is now with no tube rolling will it be obvious when the tubes need changing?

Didn't mean to suck all the oxygen out of this thread. Perhaps that question on do I need a tube tester is a little stupid in light of what is said on this head Hi guide for tubes which can be found in its original fully functional form at this web archive link. 

 

In that guides it states and I quote


Remember that the ultimate test for any tube is still the actual amplifier you're putting the tube into. Many tube testers will NOT tell you anything about microphonics, real life span or how a tube sounds. 

 

Tube testers are useful only for testing for faulty (and hence dangerous) tubes, matching tube sections and giving rough estimates of remaining lifespan.


Close quote

 

I am still curious though on the answer to my second question below and if when my tube sound finally degrades if it will be quick and obvious or slow and subtle?

 

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Originally Posted by bbmiller View Post

Another point that you guys may be able to help me out with is why is clocking very important for DAC's? I know the literature for my DAC mentions reducing jitter and perhaps I picked a particularly good DAC (for the price) as a unwitting newbie, but I got interested in clocks for DAC's and am seeking a theoretical article. This is because reading a review of a soundcard the reviewer said sound cards will never be high-end audio equipment no matter how good IC audio to digital converters they tout because as important as digital to audio converters are to a good DAC clocks are very important to and a lot more expensive. So consequently doing a search for DAC's and clocks on head FI I am not seeing any theoretical articles so what's the story? Any theoretical links on clocks and DAC's would be appreciated.


Edited by bbmiller - 4/19/14 at 5:18pm
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I've realised what I love about the hd600 tonight. I'm currently doing a hd800 vs hd600 session. One thing the hd600 beats the hd800 at is mid range . The 600s weight and focus in the mid range is spot on. Although the 800s overall presentation is better and more accurate the 600s texture and detail is more satisfying/ natural ? I would describe the difference as 'perfect room' acoustics vs 'average' room acoustics . In other words most rooms add colour which we are used to and the 600s add that natural resonance so it's more realistic .
post #7297 of 17113
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Originally Posted by bbmiller View Post


I am still curious though on the answer to my second question below and if when my tube sound finally degrades if it will be quick and obvious or slow and subtle?

 



Your questions are better off asked in the sound science subforum.
post #7298 of 17113
Hi All!

After reading all of the posts on this thread and all of the reviews I could, I purchased a pair of HD 600s!

I got them, without having the chance to compare to them directly to the 650, based on the slightly cheaper price and apparently more neutral presentation.

Now I am stuck and seemingly getting even further mired in the myriad of choices of amps and DACs. I have read everything I can, at least Internet forum wise, about amps and DACs.

My budget is around $1000 for amp plus DAC maximum (please see my post on the recommendations forum for my background on what I am looking for).

I was interested in the Schiit Valhalla, but am not getting resounding responses in support of this amp. Lots of suggestions for Woo gear. Also was thinking Schiit Bifrost, but again, not sure if I need a DAC.

Any advice on amp and DAC would be appreciated. I have not received the HD 600s yet. Just listening to the Momentums through my iPhone 5.

Thanks for any suggestions.
post #7299 of 17113
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Originally Posted by Rusty143 View Post

Hi All!

After reading all of the posts on this thread and all of the reviews I could, I purchased a pair of HD 600s!

I got them, without having the chance to compare to them directly to the 650, based on the slightly cheaper price and apparently more neutral presentation.

Now I am stuck and seemingly getting even further mired in the myriad of choices of amps and DACs. I have read everything I can, at least Internet forum wise, about amps and DACs.

My budget is around $1000 for amp plus DAC maximum (please see my post on the recommendations forum for my background on what I am looking for).

I was interested in the Schiit Valhalla, but am not getting resounding responses in support of this amp. Lots of suggestions for Woo gear. Also was thinking Schiit Bifrost, but again, not sure if I need a DAC.

Any advice on amp and DAC would be appreciated. I have not received the HD 600s yet. Just listening to the Momentums through my iPhone 5.

Thanks for any suggestions.

I have just experienced the phenomenon that may be worth mentioning to you even though  I consider myself a newbie my self. I bought a set up that included a hybrid tube amp (semiconductors as well as tubes) and I have just experienced what I consider a kind of flashover. What I mean by that at the beginning of my use of my new hybrid tube amp in combination with my new DAC the sound through my Sennheiser HD 600s were the best I have ever heard from recorded music, but then if the my amplifier burned in enough the sound became what I consider spectacular. So if you were to say by a tube amp at someplace that let you return it like Amazon you might start burning it in as fast as you could to see how our ultimately good it could make your the Sennheiser HD 600s sound. I have experienced an enormous difference between tube amp burnt in sound and before my tube amp had some hours on it.

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Thanks for your reply bbmiller! Schiit gives you 15 days to return the amp. Do you think this would be enough time to burn it in?
post #7301 of 17113
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Originally Posted by Rusty143 View Post

Thanks for your reply bbmiller! Schiit gives you 15 days to return the amp. Do you think this would be enough time to burn it in?

No - what I experienced is my manufacturer recommended you not run your amp for more than eight hours at a stretch without letting it cool off for a half hour. So I think it would take almost all the time of the 30 days Amazon allows you to just get under the wire and see how your amp sounds burnt in.

 

PS if you decide to buy at Amazon and use the 30 day policy you would have to make sure it isn't Amazon marketplace or some sort of special order that does not qualify for the normal 30 day policy.


Edited by bbmiller - 4/20/14 at 3:43pm
post #7302 of 17113
I'm sure that if you like tubes you are not going to be interested in this but I am really happy with the 600's and an Epiphany O2 which cost me all of £80. The ODAC is well regarded also. If you must have valves the Bottlehead sounds well worth checking out from what I read.
post #7303 of 17113
There is actually a simple formula you can use to determine how long it will take to properly "burn in" any product:

B = 24 + (RP X 24)

Where "B" is number of burn-in hours and "RP" is the return period in days.
post #7304 of 17113

Also the HD600 sounds just fine to me straight out of a Kindle Fire HDX.

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Hello hd600 owners! I'm hoping to be picking up a pair of these soon, and had a very important question for ya'll: Why must these cans be so sexy?

Haha jk, although they do look magnificent (better then hd650 imo). My real questions are: Coming from the hd598 would this be a significant upgrade? And how well would my lil' dragonfly 1.2 dac drive them? Many thanks :)

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