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post #6781 of 8613
Ok after reading the comments regarding the purchase of the 600s I feel I have made a mistake. I really like the hd650 but find it's signature just slightly too coloured . My thinking is that the 600s will have all of the things I like about the 650 but with a slightly more neutral/ detailed sound. I already have the 800s for most of my listening but occasionally I want a different flavour. I think I will spend some serious time evaluating between the 6xx and then sell one of them . In my mind the 600s are going to have slightly better treble and more accurate bass than the 650. If this is the case and they sound how I imagine the 650s will be going.
post #6782 of 8613
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

To me the 700's are to bright to the point of being fatiguing. The 650's are missing some treble. For me it's either the 600's or the 800's.

I spent an hour carefully comparing all four. I went in expecting to get the 650's, willing to stretch the budget to the 700's but ended up leaving with the 600's in hand but staring at the 800's with wanting eyes. Since then I picked up a pair of HE-500's and am very happy with them as well.

 

Who IS this guy???  Always has the RIGHT answer!!

 

 

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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post

I disagree here. The 500 does not have more clarity then the 600. It has better bass response though. All current orthos have less treble then the 600. Except the he6. Although I've not heard the he4 or 5le

 

Sorry, wrong. (tongue-in-cheek)

 

 

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Originally Posted by Eternal Schism View Post

The HE500 certainly is clearer if you are listening to faster and more complex passages, its a faster headphone and resolves these passages more distinctly and with better separation. Its imaging on my system is superior. Both of these things make me say it has better clarity. I view detail in the realms of how easily you can hear things like background noise in live recordings, distant effects in ambient electronic and things like that. Treble tilt is not what I'm talking about when I mean detail at all. Neither of the two headphones would that detailed by that criteria.

 

That's correct!

 

 

 

Obviously, everyone has different opinions, and I've made mine known.

 

When I owned the 600 and 650 side by side, I couldn't wait to get rid of the 650; just too much stuff missing from the upper end, and the lower end was too emphasized (colored).

 

I love the HD600 for what it is, but I believe the HE500 is definitely crisper and on a higher tier.  It is "my HD650", in that it's the go-to headphone to mellow out, or listen to lower bitrate or poorly mastered material, but much more balanced and resolving (yes, I know, resolving doesn't mean anything).  The HD600 will always be a timeless classic.

 

All the usual disclaimers apply (IMO, YMMV, etc)

post #6783 of 8613
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Originally Posted by joker97 View Post
 

i'm trying to analyze myself. i think i'm a

 

Basshead (craves bass esp sub-bass from under 100Hz in low-ness , quality and quantity) who doesn't mind EQ-ing to get the quantity bit, but the cans need to be capable.

 

Who happens to greatly appreciate detail > clarity/separation > soundstage esp in midrange - guitars, voices, violins, drums but the bass must dominate somehow

 

Who likes to hear cymbals crashing (?6-10kHz) but cannot tolerate any amount of sibilance (very very hard to EQ out sibilance)

 

The fidelio X1 comes close but it's a bit cluttered and clumsy. But if I were to choose between X1 and HD600 i'd choose the X1.

 

My travelling companion is the W3 - bass is spot on thought not deep enough. i find it sibilant. the midrange is recessed.

 

You might want to audition the Shure SRH1540.  I recently got a set.  They don't have the same high end resolution as the HD600s, but the bass is super deep and sweet, the mids are perfect, and the imaging is very good for closed cans.  They complement the HD600s and are very forgiving of poor recordings and the treble is very tame, yet very clear.  For example, cymbals are present, but never harsh and tizzy. "SSSS" sibilance is very tame.  Overall, I like them.  They are different from the Sennheiser HD6x0 sound, though.  They have no grain at all, which surprised me and took me a while to get used to because I previously thought the HD600s were grain free, but in fact they do have grain compared to the Shures. 

post #6784 of 8613
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Originally Posted by krismusic View Post


if you are lucky enough to have the HD800 you don't need any other headphones.

 

I don't believe the HD800 has enough bass quantity or slam for this to be true, unfortunately. Although, for different music tastes, this may be the case.

 

Of course, that's why a 600 or LCD-2 is a great companion to a HD800!

 

Edited to remove controversial recommendation. 


Edited by White Lotus - 2/28/14 at 6:21am
post #6785 of 8613
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

 

I don't believe the HD800 has enough bass quantity or slam for this to be true, unfortunately. Although, for different music tastes, this may be the case.

 

Of course, that's why a 600 or LCD-2 is a great companion to a HD800!

I've compared them, side by side, in person and found that the HD800 has more bass than the HD600's. You can also check the FR curves at Headroom.

 

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=-2&graphID[]=4061&graphID[]=573&graphID[]=863&scale=30

 

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=-1&graphID[]=4061&graphID[]=573&graphID[]=863&scale=30

post #6786 of 8613
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

I've compared them, side by side, in person 


As have I, in a Sennheiser showroom.

 

To my ears - the "treble energy" of the 800 makes it feel more focused on the mid/highs. 

 

Perhaps the LCD2 is the better companion, for those seeking more bass.


Edited by White Lotus - 2/28/14 at 6:19am
post #6787 of 8613
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

I've compared them, side by side, in person and found that the HD800 has more bass than the HD600's. You can also check the FR curves at Headroom.

 

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=-2&graphID[]=4061&graphID[]=573&graphID[]=863&scale=30

 

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=-1&graphID[]=4061&graphID[]=573&graphID[]=863&scale=30

StanD

 

what is the difference between the head frequency response graph raw and compensated you link to? I mean how would you explain the difference between them?

post #6788 of 8613
I agree with white lotus. Even though the 800s have more bass on a graph because it's relative to the higher frequencies the perceived bass is less. I find the hd650 sound like they have more bass than the 800s even though technically they don't.
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There's also a difference to the bass frequencies that a machine can detect and our ears can feel.  This often gets ignored.  

post #6790 of 8613
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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post

I agree with white lotus. Even though the 800s have more bass on a graph because it's relative to the higher frequencies the perceived bass is less. I find the hd650 sound like they have more bass than the 800s even though technically they don't.

Yes, the HD650's have some treble roll off but to me it sounds a little muffled than having a bigger bass.


Edited by StanD - 2/28/14 at 6:56am
post #6791 of 8613
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Originally Posted by bbmiller View Post
 

StanD

 

what is the difference between the head frequency response graph raw and compensated you link to? I mean how would you explain the difference between them?

I'll take a guess that has to do with the "audio correction curve" they mention in the below article.

http://www.headphone.com/learning-center/technical/headroom-test-lab/about-headphone-measurements.php

post #6792 of 8613
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Originally Posted by BobJS View Post

Who IS this guy???  Always has the RIGHT answer!!
Nope. But often does.


Sorry, wrong. (tongue-in-cheek)
Nope


That's correct!



Obviously, everyone has different opinions, and I've made mine known.

When I owned the 600 and 650 side by side, I couldn't wait to get rid of the 650; just too much stuff missing from the upper end, and the lower end was too emphasized (colored).
The only correct thing so far.

I love the HD600 for what it is, but I believe the HE500 is definitely crisper and on a higher tier.  It is "my HD650", in that it's the go-to headphone to mellow out, or listen to lower bitrate or poorly mastered material, but much more balanced and resolving (yes, I know, resolving doesn't mean anything).  The HD600 will always be a timeless classic.

500 is like the 650. Less treble energy then the 600.

All the usual disclaimers apply (IMO, YMMV, etc)
This.
post #6793 of 8613
This HD650 vs HD600 thing reminds me like the Phonak PFE 112 IEM with it's grey and green filter. HD650 is like the PFE112 with green filter where as HD600 is like the PFE112 with grey filter biggrin.gif I'm not implying that the PFE112 sounds any where near the Sennheiser HD600 or HD650 but their sound signature of the grey filters of the Phonaks is a neutral sound signature where as the green filter is a veiled sound signature.
Edited by Francisk - 2/28/14 at 9:43am
post #6794 of 8613
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Originally Posted by krismusic View Post

FWIW. I reckon if you are lucky enough to have the HD800 you don't need any other headphones. If you cannot afford them the 600's fit the bill. I did not think much of the 700's when I heard them at a meet. They did not have the sense of rightness that the other two models did. The 650's sounded artificial as well. All that is based on brief listens at a meet though.

I think this pretty much sums up the HD 600 for me too. It just sounds "right." It isnt the best at anything but it does everything so well it simply disappears from the equation. Isnt this what audio gear is supposed to do?
post #6795 of 8613
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post


I think this pretty much sums up the HD 600 for me too. It just sounds "right." It isnt the best at anything but it does everything so well it simply disappears from the equation. Isnt this what audio gear is supposed to do?

Exactly.

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