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post #6766 of 8265
I wouldn't worry about mucking about with the HD700 personally, I found the treble on them unbearable amend I have the hd800 and Beyer T1!
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Hi. I love the HD600's extreme clarity and sound separation esp the midrange and bass. I love the spot-on sound stage - not too vast. I find the treble slightly lacking but I cannot tolerate any sibilance. I would love more sub bass. I like the party sparkle of the Fidelio X1 but its detail and clarity is lacking.

 

Would LCD-2 (or X or XC or 3 for that matter) suit me?

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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post

I basically want a warmer hd800 but I find the 650 more laid back than I would like. That's where the 600s hopefully come in?!
FWIW. I reckon if you are lucky enough to have the HD800 you don't need any other headphones. If you cannot afford them the 600's fit the bill. I did not think much of the 700's when I heard them at a meet. They did not have the sense of rightness that the other two models did. The 650's sounded artificial as well. All that is based on brief listens at a meet though.
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Originally Posted by joker97 View Post
 

Hi. I love the HD600's extreme clarity and sound separation esp the midrange and bass. I love the spot-on sound stage - not too vast. I find the treble slightly lacking but I cannot tolerate any sibilance. I would love more sub bass. I like the party sparkle of the Fidelio X1 but its detail and clarity is lacking.

 

Would LCD-2 (or X or XC or 3 for that matter) suit me?

 

Hifiman HE-500 would fit the bill better imo. Similar overall balance to the HD600 being slightly dark. Better imaging clarity and detail level overall. The LCD2 has a fair bit less treble than the HD600 overall more like the HD650 in this regard. The HE500 is a upgraded HD600 and the LCD2 is the upgraded HD650 to my ears. They are not exactly the same of course though.

post #6770 of 8265
I disagree here. The 500 does not have more clarity then the 600. It has better bass response though. All current orthos have less treble then the 600. Except the he6. Although I've not heard the he4 or 5le
post #6771 of 8265

poor treble doesn't worry me. 

 

what about the other factors if you ignore the treble?

 

thanks

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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post

I disagree here. The 500 does not have more clarity then the 600. It has better bass response though. All current orthos have less treble then the 600. Except the he6. Although I've not heard the he4 or 5le

There's parts of this I definitely agree with. The HE-500 does not resolve as much as the HD 600 does. The treble is slightly rolled off and somewhat loose. I don't know if I would say all orthos has less treble, though. The HE-400, for instance, has a ton of it. Unfortunately, it's catastrophically flawed and uncontrolled. I mean people want to poke at the HD 700 because of treble? Go listen to an HE-400 and then get back to me. What I will very much agree with is if you're liking the HD 600 and you're looking for something with better treble, the HE-500 is the wrong way to look as the treble it's far from perfect.

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Originally Posted by joker97 View Post
 

poor treble doesn't worry me. 

 

what about the other factors if you ignore the treble?

 

thanks

But you kinda do since the quality/quantify of the highs directly influence detail and clarity, which is what you were trying to improve, right? Or did I read that wrong?

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umm ... I'm not sure I want to improve on the clarity and detail I think the HD600 has plenty in that department ... I find the HD600 boring - not sure why. too perfect? there is no oomph in the bass department. there is quality and it goes low but not low enough. but I find it very analytical.

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The HE500 certainly is clearer if you are listening to faster and more complex passages, its a faster headphone and resolves these passages more distinctly and with better separation. Its imaging on my system is superior. Both of these things make me say it has better clarity. I view detail in the realms of how easily you can hear things like background noise in live recordings, distant effects in ambient electronic and things like that. Treble tilt is not what I'm talking about when I mean detail at all. Neither of the two headphones would that detailed by that criteria.
post #6776 of 8265

i'm trying to analyze myself. i think i'm a

 

Basshead (craves bass esp sub-bass from under 100Hz in low-ness , quality and quantity) who doesn't mind EQ-ing to get the quantity bit, but the cans need to be capable.

 

Who happens to greatly appreciate detail > clarity/separation > soundstage esp in midrange - guitars, voices, violins, drums but the bass must dominate somehow

 

Who likes to hear cymbals crashing (?6-10kHz) but cannot tolerate any amount of sibilance (very very hard to EQ out sibilance)

 

The fidelio X1 comes close but it's a bit cluttered and clumsy. But if I were to choose between X1 and HD600 i'd choose the X1.

 

My travelling companion is the W3 - bass is spot on thought not deep enough. i find it sibilant. the midrange is recessed.


Edited by joker97 - 2/28/14 at 12:47am
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Originally Posted by joker97 View Post
 

umm ... I'm not sure I want to improve on the clarity and detail I think the HD600 has plenty in that department ... I find the HD600 boring - not sure why. too perfect? there is no oomph in the bass department. there is quality and it goes low but not low enough. but I find it very analytical.

I think I hear ya. Possibly too laid back and not enough excitement? I can understand that criticism. Well I wont comment on the LCD-2 because I have not hear them. Maybe an HE-400 or HE-500 is up your alley then, sonically, as they are a bit more aggressive. Just don't expect anything from the treble or the comfort or the build quality or the fit or the durability or the serviceability and so on and so on, especially compared with your HD 600. But I would say try and find your own conclusions.

post #6778 of 8265

thanks. I will look into the HE 500. but somehow I think i'm going LCD way, but will only do so once i fly 6 hrs to the nearest dealer to check it out - it ain't exactly cheap - new or 2nd hand :D

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Originally Posted by joker97 View Post
 

i'm trying to analyze myself. i think i'm a

 

Basshead (craves bass esp sub-bass from under 100Hz in both quality and quantity) who doesn't mind EQ-ing to get the quantity bit, but the cans need to be capable.

 

Who happens to greatly appreciate detail > clarity/separation > soundstage esp in midrange - guitars, voices, violins, drums but the bass must dominate somehow

 

Who likes to hear cymbals crashing (?6-10kHz) but cannot tolerate any amount of sibilance (very very hard to EQ out sibilance)

 

The fidelio X1 comes close but it's a bit cluttered and clumsy. But if I were to choose between X1 and HD600 i'd choose the X1.

Well the X1 is a basshead can. In fact, it's probably the only successful open basshead can as most are closed. You aren't going find much that's comparable with that particular signature. Nothing wrong with any of this as you're just trying to understand your preferences. Honestly, reading this now, I would say go and try the HE-500. Just keep in mind the pain points I listed above as they are very real issue with all current market Hifiman cans that do affect your listening experience.

post #6780 of 8265

i was reading he 500 vs lcd 2.2/3 threads.

 

most people prefered the bass on the LCD - it is both lower (deeper) and accentuated by lack of treble - but the treble details are there, just not the quantity, which is what i need i think. (just got a beyerdynamic dt 900 pro 250 to try out what more treble means for me - wayyyyyyyy to sibilant, nearly died. although i thought it made 1% of my songs better - the onces recorded with zero sibilant)

 

they do say the HE 500 has better midrange detail, separation but the LCD is lusher in the lower mids which is what i like. I am afraid the HE 500 will be an upgrade to the HD600 where as the LCD is probably more dramatic

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