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post #6496 of 8416
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Originally Posted by YoYo JoKeR View Post
 


Thanks,

I am ready for the E12,

 

my only concern being

It has narrow sound-stage?

and its 11 hour battery life [not a big issue]

 

I am just bugged by O2 because many headfiers seem to praise it.

 

I also read 200$ amp shootout article at inearmatters, 

Clieos gave O2 1st rank and stated O2 as "reference amp"

 

"E12 Probably best pair with full size headphone that is either wide in sound-stage or more laid back in nature"

"but lacks the best transparency and sound-stage"

"The narrower width and depth cause the overall presentation to push forwarded, giving an impression of warmth and energitic sound with a rather musical vocal"

"O2 is the reference amp of the whole shootout and offers the best SQ subjectively and objectively. It has the best blend of everything, as far as sound being the only concern"

 

 

and that is the only article available for E12 VS O2

 

If anybody having both of these please put a word on it.

That bit about the E12 having a narrow soundstage is a load of BS. The crosstalk is better than 70dB so there isn't any crosstalk to narrow the soundstage, just gossip.

post #6497 of 8416
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

That bit about the E12 having a narrow soundstage is a load of BS. The crosstalk is better than 70dB so there isn't any crosstalk to narrow the soundstage, just gossip.


That relieved me a bit. :smile:

I wait for another 20 hours for my HD600's to arrive [Damn wait is killing me :ph34r:]

 

before placing an order for the amp.

post #6498 of 8416

The E12 is good with the HD600 but I thought the O2 sounded a little bit better and made the E12 seem a touch dark in comparison. Both are good. If I was looking for a desktop I'd choose the O2. If I wanted the added convenience of portability I would be happy with the E12.

For what it is worth I actually bought a JDS cMoy for portable use and saved some $$$ compared to the E12. 

The JDS cMoy sounds very good too...

post #6499 of 8416

This is the Fiio rep for India located in Mumbai if that helps:

http://www.fiio.com.cn/where/index.aspx

http://www.proaudiohome.com/

post #6500 of 8416
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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post
 

The E12 is good with the HD600 but I thought the O2 sounded a little bit better and made the E12 seem a touch dark in comparison. Both are good. If I was looking for a desktop I'd choose the O2. If I wanted the added convenience of portability I would be happy with the E12.

For what it is worth I actually bought a JDS cMoy for portable use and saved some $$$ compared to the E12. 

The JDS cMoy sounds very good too...


Thanks,

 

You heard both O2 and E12 on a HD600, and done side by side testing right?

 

Which among O2 and E12 sounds most transparent, revealing, natural with very good sound-stage?

post #6501 of 8416
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Originally Posted by YoYo JoKeR View Post

 

Which among O2 and E12 sounds most transparent, revealing, natural with very good sound-stage?

That describes the O2. It is designed to be 100% transparent.

E12 is designed to sound more euphonic and enjoyable...bad recordings may sound better of the E12.

Both are good but if you want transparency then the O2 is more transparent.

 

For what you describe = listening only through your phone...the E12 sounds like a good choice.

That would be a tidy and enjoyable little kit! If I was using at desk through PC I would select the O2.

 

Yes, I have heard both but not side by side through same source or DBT...so take my experience for what it is worth.

post #6502 of 8416
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Originally Posted by YoYo JoKeR View Post
 


Thanks,

 

You heard both O2 and E12 on a HD600, and done side by side testing right?

 

Which among O2 and E12 sounds most transparent, revealing, natural with very good sound-stage?

I've side by side compared them. They sound very much alike. The E12 has a little more power at low impedances. The bass boost switch on the E12 is worth having and won me over. You can't lose either way.

post #6503 of 8416

Hello all!

 

I am looking at the HD600s for purchase. I have the DT880s and enjoy them. But I am looking for a second pair of headphones. What is the difference between the HD600 and DT880? Is the detail in the soundstage improved? How is the build quality of the HD600s?

 

Thank you!

 

Bob Graham

post #6504 of 8416
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Originally Posted by r010159 View Post

 

How is the build quality of the HD600s?

The build quality is excellent = professional grade.

HD600s are also modular so that in the event that you break something you can likely repair it...

post #6505 of 8416
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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post
 

The build quality is excellent = professional grade.

HD600s are also modular so that in the event that you break something you can likely repair it...

 

Yeah, after 10 years of beating mine are as good as new.. I had to replace some pads and drivers (my fault), but the frame and grills are impeccable.

post #6506 of 8416
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Originally Posted by r010159 View Post
I am looking at the HD600s for purchase. I have the DT880s and enjoy them. But I am looking for a second pair of headphones. What is the difference between the HD600 and DT880? Is the detail in the soundstage improved? How is the build quality of the HD600s?
 

You may want to ask @uzi for a comparison; I know he used to have both the DT880 and the HD650 and ended up selling the Beyers. 

post #6507 of 8416
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Prefer Objective combo. Never tried Magni Modi, but some people claim modi is quite bright.

The stack is bright, but that's one of the reasons why I find this threesome (HD 600, Magni, Modi) to be damn near perfect for 99.9% of the consumers out there. Maybe not all of us who are willing to spend a lot more, but that group of people who want a nice value rig, it defines the 80/20 rule, in my opinion.


Edited by roguegeek - 2/19/14 at 10:02am
post #6508 of 8416
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Originally Posted by r010159 View Post
 

Hello all!

 

I am looking at the HD600s for purchase. I have the DT880s and enjoy them. But I am looking for a second pair of headphones. What is the difference between the HD600 and DT880? Is the detail in the soundstage improved? How is the build quality of the HD600s?

 

Thank you!

 

Bob Graham


I have both - they're a nice complement to each other.

 

Build and fit

I'd give the Beyers the nod on the build - less plastic, more metal, more durable.  But the Senns are no slouch either.  Completely modular (unlike the Beyers) and parts are easy enough for the user to replace.  As far as comfort goes - the HD600 are a bit clampy at first - but both really comfortable.  Beyer by a nod.

 

Driveability

Assuming you get 250 ohm Beyers - the Senns are still easier to drive.  But pretty comparable.

 

My impressions (subjective).  

Both quite neutral.  I'd actually say the Beyer is the flatter of the two.  It has slightly better extension (both ends), but has some treble peaks which make it slightly brighter than what I would call 'realistic'.  Still a lovely can to listen to though - and that's why I still have it.  All-rounder really.

 

HD600 also very neutral - but (and this is a difference) - it is the more natural of the two.  HD600 has better presentation of timbre and tone.  A violin really sounds like a violin.  Noting is spotlit.  It has a little bump in the mid-bass that the Beyer doesn't have - and this gives a little impact - but again sounds quite natural (to me anyway).

 

Stage / Imaging

Staging is similar on both, as is imaging.  Beyer (because of its slightly brighter top end) can give the illusion of bigger stage, more space, better separation - but to me this is just an illusion.  Apply some EQ to the HD600 and it can do exactly the same.  The HD600 is still quite open - but the stage is very natural (not over-emphasised), and imaging is really good.  It's not expansive like the AKG K7xx series - but it is completely believable.

 

Realism

Touched on this earlier - but thought I would explain something about the HD600.  I have quite a few really good live recordings.  Among them is Bonamassa's live concert from the Vienna Opera House and also Loreena McKennitt's live concert from Toronto & Paris.  Both are fantastic recordings - and I have to admit that with Joe's concert from Vienna - I do love what the Beyers do with Joe's guitar work (stunning).  But in both recordings (for me anyway), there are passages where I can close my eyes, and the HD600 can actually put me in the audience.  It is utterly believable.  That's something the Beyer (for me) doesn't quite achieve.

 

Both have their strengths.  Both are fantastic phones.  That's why - although I have sold both before - I also repurchased them, and they remain with me now.  Both are keepers.


Edited by Brooko - 2/21/14 at 12:54pm
post #6509 of 8416

No better testimonial than from a repeat buyer.

post #6510 of 8416
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Originally Posted by r010159 View Post
 

Hello all!

 

I am looking at the HD600s for purchase. I have the DT880s and enjoy them. But I am looking for a second pair of headphones. What is the difference between the HD600 and DT880? Is the detail in the soundstage improved? How is the build quality of the HD600s?

 

Thank you!

 

Bob Graham

Might as well throw in the AKG K7xx and you'll be looking at the mid-fi holy trinity. Out of the three, I've enjoyed the DT880 the least, but that's not saying they're bad. I just think the HD 600 and K702 compliment each other better with one being a warm and intimate signature in contrast to the other being a bright and wide signature.

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