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post #6451 of 17469
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Originally Posted by bbmiller View Post
 

So is there absolutely no reason not to get the Amazon $269.00 for the HD 580s price rather than the $399.95 for the HD 600s Amazon Price?

 

PS for a moment there I thought I was finding a different frequency curve for the HD 580 as compared with the HD 600 but now I'm having a hard time trying to find any frequency curve for the HD 580. Does anybody know what the story is?

 

The HD 580 is a legacy headphone that the HD 600 evolved from. You will not find a new pair of HD 580's.

 

You should be able to purchase the HD 600 for close to $300 if you shop around.

 

EQ does not "change" the soundstage of a headphone. Subtle changes in the balance of the various frequencies can create the illusion of different imaging. For example, if you increase the bass, it might make the midrange sound a little "muddy" and this could give the impression of a slower and more closed in sound quality. Increasing the treble can create the illusion of more "air" and distance between vocals and/or instruments. 

 

Regarding your earlier question about angled drivers - they are supposed to move the soundstage more in front of your head to better replicate a speaker type sound, but I have never really noticed this effect.

 

At the risk of confusing matters further for you - and don't take this personally, but at your age you no doubt have a mild to moderate hearing loss. I have a moderate loss myself and this means that anything anyone else tells you about the sound of a headphone will probably not be applicable to you.

 

With that said, I think you have been steered down the wrong path by choosing a tube amp and $300+ HD 600's. Tube amps and tube rolling can be nostalgic and fun for some, but you can get the same sound with a solid state amp and EQ. I have owned the HD 558, 598, 600, 650, and 800 and in my humble opinion, I think the HD 558 or HD 598 are a much better match to your listening. Plugged directly into your music source and EQ'ed to your taste, they will give you a huge leap in fidelity compared to your current setup. The 500 Series Sennheisers have a more open and airy sound quality than the 600 Series, and are much easier to drive than the 300 ohm Sennheisers so no separate amplifier is required.

 

Save yourself $500 and buy yourself a pair of HD 598's...

post #6452 of 17469
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post
 

 

The HD 580 is a legacy headphone that the HD 600 evolved from. You will not find a new pair of HD 580's.

 

You should be able to purchase the HD 600 for close to $300 if you shop around.

 

EQ does not "change" the soundstage of a headphone. Subtle changes in the balance of the various frequencies can create the illusion of different imaging. For example, if you increase the bass, it might make the midrange sound a little "muddy" and this could give the impression of a slower and more closed in sound quality. Increasing the treble can create the illusion of more "air" and distance between vocals and/or instruments. 

 

Regarding your earlier question about angled drivers - they are supposed to move the soundstage more in front of your head to better replicate a speaker type sound, but I have never really noticed this effect.

 

At the risk of confusing matters further for you - and don't take this personally, but at your age you no doubt have a mild to moderate hearing loss. I have a moderate loss myself and this means that anything anyone else tells you about the sound of a headphone will probably not be applicable to you.

 

With that said, I think you have been steered down the wrong path by choosing a tube amp and $300+ HD 600's. Tube amps and tube rolling can be nostalgic and fun for some, but you can get the same sound with a solid state amp and EQ. I have owned the HD 558, 598, 600, 650, and 800 and in my humble opinion, I think the HD 558 or HD 598 are a much better match to your listening. Plugged directly into your music source and EQ'ed to your taste, they will give you a huge leap in fidelity compared to your current setup. The 500 Series Sennheisers have a more open and airy sound quality than the 600 Series, and are much easier to drive than the 300 ohm Sennheisers so no separate amplifier is required.

 

Save yourself $500 and buy yourself a pair of HD 598's...

That's an interesting thought. A beginner ear might not be able to easily recognize the differences and the HD558 or HD598 and the HD600. The HD5x8 series are easy to drive. I have an HD558 that I take to the office. It's not expensive so I don't have to worry about damaging them. Even though my smartphone can drive them, I use a FiiO E18 on the road, which is not expensive. Even thought they are open backed, they don't leak sound all that much. I've done the black foam mod, but they would sound good as is. They have more distortion than the HD600's but nothing to lose sleep over if once is new to the game. The HD558's have the same driver as the HD598 and can be found on sale for less than $150. I just saw them on Amazon (Prime) for $127.88.

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I am noticing a trend for HD800 lovers to recommend the HD598s brighter signature over the HD650/HD600s more improved engineered technicalities over the HD598.  The 598 is entry level...the HD6s are former flagships and it is easy to distinguish.  But not for some.

 

Perhaps it is true...once you adapt to the HD800...you can never come back.

post #6454 of 17469
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

I am noticing a trend for HD800 lovers to recommend the HD598s brighter signature over the HD650/HD600s more improved engineered technicalities over the HD598.  The 598 is entry level...the HD6s are former flagships and it is easy to distinguish.  But not for some.

 

Perhaps it is true...once you adapt to the HD800...you can never come back.

Ha, Sennheiser Spruiker and HD800 elitist. The HD800 just might be my next. I've heard them a number of times and liked what I heard, very much. IMO, the HD700's were a misstep.

post #6455 of 17469
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Ha, Sennheiser Spruiker and HD800 elitist. The HD800 just might be my next. I've heard them a number of times and liked what I heard, very much. IMO, the HD700's were a misstep.

 

Stan...we all know you are getting along in years - there is nothing to be ashamed of.  :D

post #6456 of 17469
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

 

Stan...we all know you are getting along in years - there is nothing to be ashamed of.  :D

I'm not ready to be one of the Old Dears. I'd rather be an Ocker. :D

post #6457 of 17469
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

I'm not ready to be one of the Old Dears. I'd rather be an Ocker. :D

 

That reminds me, I've gotta buy another pair of thongs...these ones only lasted a couple of months.

 

Had to google that one...oh gosh, I even drive a Holden Jackaroo.


Edited by SP Wild - 2/17/14 at 11:42am
post #6458 of 17469
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That reminds me, I've gotta buy another pair of thongs...these ones only lasted a couple of months.

 

Had to google that one...oh gosh, I even drive a Holden Jackaroo.

 

Some people are going to think that you wear skimpy knickers and don't change them until they melt off. Flip-flops for those who think you have a strange taste in attire.

Your Strine is slipping, It's a sad day when a Yank's got to teach a Cockroack from NSW.

post #6459 of 17469

Well played old man Stan, well played.  :tongue:

 

I shall take my ass elsewhere for now...and when you least suspect it...KAPOW!  I'll be back..

post #6460 of 17469
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

That's an interesting thought. A beginner ear might not be able to easily recognize the differences and the HD558 or HD598 and the HD600. The HD5x8 series are easy to drive. I have an HD558 that I take to the office. It's not expensive so I don't have to worry about damaging them. Even though my smartphone can drive them, I use a FiiO E18 on the road, which is not expensive. Even thought they are open backed, they don't leak sound all that much. I've done the black foam mod, but they would sound good as is. They have more distortion than the HD600's but nothing to lose sleep over if once is new to the game. The HD558's have the same driver as the HD598 and can be found on sale for less than $150. I just saw them on Amazon (Prime) for $127.88.

Rightly or wrongly discarding the DAC and headphone amp I chose is not a financial option. Secondly here is some 63 year old thoughts.

 

 

Firstly might equalization help with whatever hearing loss I may have?

 

 

Secondly does the old theory of tubes clipping more gracefully the dynamic high peaks in the music still hold sway? I do not know if relatively low-power headphone amps are subject to power amp theory, but I thought may be they are.

post #6461 of 17469
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Originally Posted by bbmiller View Post
 

Rightly or wrongly discarding the DAC and headphone amp I chose is not a financial option. Secondly here is some 63 year old thoughts.

 

 

Firstly might equalization help with whatever hearing loss I may have?

 

 

Secondly does the old theory of tubes clipping more gracefully the dynamic high peaks in the music still hold sway? I do not know if relatively low-power headphone amps are subject to power amp theory, but I thought may be they are.

 

1. EQ can absolutely help compensate for your hearing loss. I'm guessing you like a few dB boost between 2kHz and 8kHz... I use "treble boost" whenever I listen to my iPod.

 

2. In theory, yes, although there are solid state amps with "soft clipping" capability too. In reality though, most headphones can be driven to earsplitting volume with very little power (a fraction of one watt). No decent headphone amp will ever even approach clipping with anything but the most difficult to drive headphones.


Edited by palmfish - 2/17/14 at 4:44pm
post #6462 of 17469
http://www.head-fi.org/t/538255/sennheiser-hd-600-appreciation-thread/3225#post_9452664
My crude way of angling the drivers..for a more "frontal" imaging.

Bbmiller, I think u will be very happy with the hd600 + LDmk4se combo...
This amp is no slouch. It sounded like a beefy Burson 160 with tubes..v nice.
Enjoy !
post #6463 of 17469
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

The meaning of "Clearance"is that you can blame the morons at Head-Fi if you don't like their suggestions once the kit arrives. :D

No sir,

 

I will be responsible for on whom I pull the trigger :tongue:

 

Schiit products get import duty in India.  Vali 130$ shipped + 60$ Import tax :frown:

 

O2 has lesser/no chances of Import tax because its a DIY job :)

 

E12 comes from Hong Kong, declared as gift :D

 

HD600's too have risk of import duty, but I am sure FedEx guys will handle it well :cool:

post #6464 of 17469
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Originally Posted by bbmiller View Post
 

Rightly or wrongly discarding the DAC and headphone amp I chose is not a financial option. Secondly here is some 63 year old thoughts.

 

 

Firstly might equalization help with whatever hearing loss I may have?

 

 

Secondly does the old theory of tubes clipping more gracefully the dynamic high peaks in the music still hold sway? I do not know if relatively low-power headphone amps are subject to power amp theory, but I thought may be they are.

EQ can help, isn't that part of what a hearing aid does.

Forget about clipping, that should not be happening, get an amp that has enough headroom. This is easy enough to do nowadays. The old theory is not old theory but soft tube clipping is for an electric guitarist not for someone trying to enjoy listening to music (playback). If you opt to buy a tube amp it's not for the purposes of clipping but for the sound of tubes, being even order harmonic distortion, not a lot of it, just a bit for warmth. Myself, I prefer the clean sound of Solid State, but that's a personal choice. I do have a small hybrid amp.

post #6465 of 17469
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Originally Posted by YoYo JoKeR View Post
 

No sir,

 

I will be responsible for on whom I pull the trigger :tongue:

 

Schiit products get import duty in India.  Vali 130$ shipped + 60$ Import tax :frown:

 

O2 has lesser/no chances of Import tax because its a DIY job :)

 

E12 comes from Hong Kong, declared as gift :D

 

HD600's too have risk of import duty, but I am sure FedEx guys will handle it well :cool:

I love living in the USA, we hate taxes and the politicians know it.

In my bag of toys is a FiiO E12. It sounds very good and can drive an HD600 (got that too) very well. I understand that at this point you can't spend too much, so don't let any audio snobs get you down. I use the E12 when commuting or in the backyard or out of the house. It sounds very good. It's built well too, metal case. There's no reason why you can't use it at home as well.

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