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post #6241 of 17154
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

I saw a local orchestra perform The Rite of Spring recently.

 

It was pretty great.

 

EDIT:

 

Anyone had experience with these?

 

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=111275856960

 

I messaged him, asking if it was a modified Bottlehead unit, and he replied:

 

 

I wonder how THAT will go for the HD600..

Are you in the mood to roll the dice and see/hear how that works?

Edit: I just took a peek and it looks nice, isn't expensive, but that doesn't let you know how your ears will feel about it.


Edited by StanD - 2/9/14 at 3:46pm
post #6242 of 17154

Very tempted. It's right within a "temptation" price bracket, especially because I'm in the market for a tube amp for the HD600, of exactly $350 AUD.

post #6243 of 17154
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

Very tempted. It's right within a "temptation" price bracket, especially because I'm in the market for a tube amp for the HD600, of exactly $350 AUD.

That wouldn't work on me. Unfortunately the tube amps that I like cost more than I'd like to spend and are very clean (low THD, IM) like a SS Amp, so I'd rather go SS.

Good luck with the gamble, unless you get cold feet and luck will not be required. :D

post #6244 of 17154
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

Very tempted. It's right within a "temptation" price bracket, especially because I'm in the market for a tube amp for the HD600, of exactly $350 AUD.

 

The appeal of the crack, is that it is an output transformer less (OTL) amplifier.  Good transformers are very expensive, cheap ones distort the sound.  That amp you pointed to is transformer couples - not saying it will be bad...but an OTL can be made to sound good on a budget.

post #6245 of 17154
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

 

The appeal of the crack, is that it is an output transformer less (OTL) amplifier.  Good transformers are very expensive, cheap ones distort the sound.  That amp you pointed to is transformer couples - not saying it will be bad...but an OTL can be made to sound good on a budget.

 

I was waiting for you to weigh in on this. Would the LD III or Valhalla be a better option?

 

Is one correct to assume that low-distortion output transformers are quite costly?

post #6246 of 17154
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

 

I was waiting for you to weigh in on this. Would the LD III or Valhalla be a better option?

 

Is one correct to assume that low-distortion output transformers are quite costly?


I own the Mk3 and I have listened quite a bit to my phones thru a friends Valhalla and I like the Valhalla better. Has a quieter (black) background and the bass is more detailed, in fact detail is better throughout the spectrum. Sounds more coherent overall. These are all very small differences but when you add them all up I would get the Valhalla if I were to do it over again. I got a real good deal on the LD or I wouldn't have bought it.

post #6247 of 17154
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

 

I was waiting for you to weigh in on this. Would the LD III or Valhalla be a better option?

 

Is one correct to assume that low-distortion output transformers are quite costly?

I haven't listened to either the LD III or Valhalla, so my advice wouldn't be valid.

Yes low distortion output transformers that don't saturate or have inferior FR is one reason that a good pure tube costs more than a hybrid like the Lyr.

Since I also have an HE-500, the Valhalla or LD III are not for me.

I did pick up a Vali for Schiit and Giggles, it is dirt cheap. It's a hybrid and can drive my HE-500's but not to very loud levels. It has an SS Class AB output stage which is why it has no output transformer and can deliver much more power that the 2 OTL amps you mentioned. I also have an Asgard 2 which I like a lot and can drive my HD600s and HE-500s very nicely. The Asgard 2 is a steal, it's the real deal (Dinki-di in Strine for you).

post #6248 of 17154
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

 

The appeal of the crack, is that it is an output transformer less (OTL) amplifier.  Good transformers are very expensive, cheap ones distort the sound.  That amp you pointed to is transformer couples - not saying it will be bad...but an OTL can be made to sound good on a budget.

A transformer coupled amp doesn't have to be expensive if it is well designed and sourced. Edcor makes good, transformers is the USA that are not too expensive.

Amps with a single gain stage can sound great as there are no coupling caps in the signal path and less parts and work. It's always nice to see the detail shots of the guts and parts when buying this type of DIY amp. Google Spud amp if you are interested to learn more. Spud = tuber = one tube per channel...

Mine was made by Jef Larson who designed the first Spuds - cost would be comparable to a built Crack (<$500) and it drives speakers and lower impedance cans too.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

AppleMark


Edited by parbaked - 2/9/14 at 4:51pm
post #6249 of 17154

Yes output transformers with low distortion are costly, the HD600 is lucky to have a high 300ohm impedance and would work well with a transformer less amp...which bypasses one expensive component.  OTL sound georgeous in the treble and midrange IME.  SET OTL is the way to go.

 

I also had a transformer coupled SET that sounded stunning...so yeah, best to hear for yourself.

 

Now I think WL is more confused!


Edited by SP Wild - 2/9/14 at 4:59pm
post #6250 of 17154

Nope, I got it. I was wary of using a non-OTL* anyway. I'm still considering just getting a Valhalla and being done with it.

 

*how is that for a double negative

post #6251 of 17154

From my understanding, the reports are that the Valhalla might be a leaner sounding amp...you wanted warmer for the HD600?

 

Neverthless, you can roll tubes - best to research the Valhalla - I wanted to get two of those and bridge them together for the LCD2s.

post #6252 of 17154
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

I saw a local orchestra perform The Rite of Spring recently.

 

It was pretty great.

 

EDIT:

 

Anyone had experience with these?

 

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=111275856960

 

I messaged him, asking if it was a modified Bottlehead unit, and he replied:

 

 

I wonder how THAT will go for the HD600..

 

Based in the tubes used, I'm guessing it's Trafomatic Head One clone.  If it comes anywhere near the real Trafomatic, you're in for a treat.  I consider my HD600 and Trafomatic to be end game.

post #6253 of 17154
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

From my understanding, the reports are that the Valhalla might be a leaner sounding amp...you wanted warmer for the HD600?

 

Neverthless, you can roll tubes - best to research the Valhalla - I wanted to get two of those and bridge them together for the LCD2s.

So now you're going to hit his kick and start him off into rolling tubes, eh?

post #6254 of 17154
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post

From my understanding, the reports are that the Valhalla might be a leaner sounding amp...you wanted warmer for the HD600?

Correct, I was hoping to find a tube component that gave them a bit of extra kick.
post #6255 of 17154
If only some brilliant engineer would invent a device that lets you change the frequency response of headphones by simply turning a knob... rolleyes.gif
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