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post #6181 of 17154

MA China okay.. :o

 

how many years warranty M stage and O2 offers? are these both "reference amps" ?

 

How is Maverick audio D1 and A1 compared to these :confused:

post #6182 of 17154
Neither is a reference quality amplifier. You'll have to ask the seller/manufacturer about the warranty, or look it up yourself. I have no idea what the Mavericks sounds like. Never even seen one outside the 'net. Good luck.
post #6183 of 17154
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Originally Posted by HaVoC-28 View Post
 

 

The 120 ohms nominal output impedance  came from the IEC 61938 Standard introduced in 1996 , but the HD600 is derivated from HD580 released in 1993 and is said to be the consumer version of the HD580 Jubilee released in  1995 , and it was released in 1997. I am not sure if they take in consideration this 120 ohms norm as they had finish the engineering Djob before the introduction of the 120 ohms norm.


 Thanks for clarifying.  A lot of integrated amplifiers run the main output via resistors which raises the output impedance (I think a lot of them followed the 120 ohm standard)  also - My HD650, whilst it sounds good out of a consumer grade jack of this sort, leaves the bass uncontrolled.

 

A 12 Ohm output impedance for a 300 ohm load should be just fine.

post #6184 of 17154
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

Is 12ohms to high of an output impedance for the HD600?

 

Hi W-L

 

If you're working on the generally accepted rule of thumb for damping (ie 1:8), then the HD600 should be good to go with any amp with output impedance under 37 ohm, without any deviation in the headphone's frequency response.

 

In reality - because the HD600 seems to have such a stable frequency response anyway - I think you can go higher.  They sound very good to me out of the LD MKIV - and I think that has around a 40-50 ohm impedance from the headphone out.

post #6185 of 17154
I'm really embarrassed about that spelling error now that several people have quoted it. Either way, thank you for the help guys - when my HD600 come in, I'll let you know how it goes.

SP, I'll try to make up a balanced cable for them. No harm in trying, right?
post #6186 of 17154
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Originally Posted by MadMike View Post
 

The Modi should work just fine. It's based on the AKM4396 chip; same chip is used in the Audioengine D1, which I am currently using with the Crack. 


Ok, good to know. Customs office is quite expensive (50€ for Crack as I understand it, will see tomorrow), customs frontier is 150€, but because it's over 22€ (price+shipping) I'd still have to pay import sales taxes ((price+shipping costs)*taxes (should be 19%)) for Modi.

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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

 

Hi W-L

 

If you're working on the generally accepted rule of thumb for damping (ie 1:8), then the HD600 should be good to go with any amp with output impedance under 37 ohm, without any deviation in the headphone's frequency response.

 

In reality - because the HD600 seems to have such a stable frequency response anyway - I think you can go higher.  They sound very good to me out of the LD MKIV - and I think that has around a 40-50 ohm impedance from the headphone out.

That's because the HD600's design has very good damping. As far as damping goes that doesn't mean one can get away with too much.

As far as bass boost goes, using a higher impedance will cause quite a bit of bass boost. I'd rather not have that as an always on thing and rather call it up when I want it by way of EQ under a controlled manner, i.e., frequency, level.

 

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The HD-600s are in my opinion, the best headphones you can buy for the price. Put them through a nice audio rig, and you'll likely never feel the need to go any higher. They mark the point at which audiophilism goes from investments in quality into money sucking addiction for diminishing returns, and are probably the best pair of headphone Sennheiser ever made (and this is coming from a MASSIVE Senn fanboy). They are beautiful to the eyes, have an unreal soundstange, wonderful clarity, punchy lows, and can be EQ-ed into any pair of headphones you want. They are incredible basshead headphone if you want them to be, they are beautiful and clinical listening tools if that's what you want. They're just amazing in every way, and paired with the right amp they go to the next level. I would even argue that a better investment than upgrading from the HD600s themselves would be amp upgrades, as you can make them sound consistently more amazing with different amps.    

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Originally Posted by FancyDan View Post
 

The HD-600s are in my opinion, the best headphones you can buy for the price. Put them through a nice audio rig, and you'll likely never feel the need to go any higher. They mark the point at which audiophilism goes from investments in quality into money sucking addiction for diminishing returns, and are probably the best pair of headphone Sennheiser ever made (and this is coming from a MASSIVE Senn fanboy). They are beautiful to the eyes, have an unreal soundstange, wonderful clarity, punchy lows, and can be EQ-ed into any pair of headphones you want. They are incredible basshead headphone if you want them to be, they are beautiful and clinical listening tools if that's what you want. They're just amazing in every way, and paired with the right amp they go to the next level. I would even argue that a better investment than upgrading from the HD600s themselves would be amp upgrades, as you can make them sound consistently more amazing with different amps.    

Actually they are not that demanding of amping as many people would have you believe. They are excellent and IMO scaling is an overstated story best reserved for cans that require massive amounts of power or special driving conditions.

post #6190 of 17154
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Actually they are not that demanding of amping as many people would have you believe. They are excellent and IMO scaling is an overstated story best reserved for cans that require massive amounts of power or special driving conditions.

I mean I didn't say that they are demanding of it as much as some, but I don't like how they sound un-amped very much at all personally. The bass response dies for one, and that's the most major thing but when I say it dies it DIES and that makes them pretty much un-listenable for me. 

post #6191 of 17154
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Originally Posted by FancyDan View Post
 

The HD-600s are in my opinion, the best headphones you can buy for the price. Put them through a nice audio rig, and you'll likely never feel the need to go any higher. They mark the point at which audiophilism goes from investments in quality into money sucking addiction for diminishing returns, and are probably the best pair of headphone Sennheiser ever made (and this is coming from a MASSIVE Senn fanboy). They are beautiful to the eyes, have an unreal soundstange, wonderful clarity, punchy lows, and can be EQ-ed into any pair of headphones you want. They are incredible basshead headphone if you want them to be, they are beautiful and clinical listening tools if that's what you want. They're just amazing in every way, and paired with the right amp they go to the next level. I would even argue that a better investment than upgrading from the HD600s themselves would be amp upgrades, as you can make them sound consistently more amazing with different amps.    

:deadhorse:

post #6192 of 17154
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post

That's because the HD600's design has very good damping. As far as damping goes that doesn't mean one can get away with too much.

As far as bass boost goes, using a higher impedance will cause quite a bit of bass boost. I'd rather not have that as an always on thing and rather call it up when I want it by way of EQ under a controlled manner, i.e., frequency, level.

 



Agree Stan. But IME they don't exhibit bass bloom even combined with the 40-50 ohm headphone out of the LD MKIV. If you go higher - then as the graph suggests, you're likely to have the mid-bass get out of control.
post #6193 of 17154
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Originally Posted by FancyDan View Post

The HD-600s are in my opinion, the best headphones you can buy for the price. Put them through a nice audio rig, and you'll likely never feel the need to go any higher. They mark the point at which audiophilism goes from investments in quality into money sucking addiction for diminishing returns, and are probably the best pair of headphone Sennheiser ever made (and this is coming from a MASSIVE Senn fanboy). They are beautiful to the eyes, have an unreal soundstange, wonderful clarity, punchy lows, and can be EQ-ed into any pair of headphones you want. They are incredible basshead headphone if you want them to be, they are beautiful and clinical listening tools if that's what you want. They're just amazing in every way, and paired with the right amp they go to the next level. I would even argue that a better investment than upgrading from the HD600s themselves would be amp upgrades, as you can make them sound consistently more amazing with different amps.    

I think the HD 558 is 98% of the HD 600, with the advantage of not needing an amp and costing half the price. I love the HD 600, but the 558 is for sure the bang for the buck leader of the Sennheiser lineup IMO.
post #6194 of 17154
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Originally Posted by FancyDan View Post
 

I mean I didn't say that they are demanding of it as much as some, but I don't like how they sound un-amped very much at all personally. The bass response dies for one, and that's the most major thing but when I say it dies it DIES and that makes them pretty much un-listenable for me. 

Unamped, depends on the source. Some sources have decent amps. Most DAPs and smartphones do not have the voltage swing required to drive high impedance cans to satisfaction. The lower the volume the less we perceive bass. Pushing up the bass using EQ has its limits, headroom. I like my bass and for me I can EQ them up to my satisfaction, however, I would not put a blanket basshead statement out there, I'm sure the Beats lovers would not agree, then again I would not listen to their preferred sound profile unless a gun was put to my head.

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Edited by SP Wild - 2/9/14 at 9:46am
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