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post #5611 of 8702
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Thanks bud smily_headphones1.gif I don't take myself very seriously like I used too and just mess about for fun now. To think what you can do on a home pc now compared to what we used to spend thousands on renting studios... Crazy!

It makes no difference why you do it, just that you do it and enjoy it biggrin.gif

I come from a family of musicians and played trumpet throughout secondary school, but I never had the gift of creating music or even improvising on a theme.

You are fortunate to have the talent and the means and I hope you continue to do so,

Cheers!
post #5612 of 8702
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

That was amazing with the HD600, don't think I've heard it before. Hmmm got me in the mood for some more! 

 

(Oh, and I'm the better looking one ;) 

I hope you still have your HD600's on. The killer version was taken down from youtube. I found this one.

 


Edited by StanD - 12/31/13 at 9:11am
post #5613 of 8702
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post


It makes no difference why you do it, just that you do it and enjoy it biggrin.gif

I come from a family of musicians and played trumpet throughout secondary school, but I never had the gift of creating music or even improvising on a theme.

You are fortunate to have the talent and the means and I hope you continue to do so,

Cheers!

:beerchug: The trumpet is one of my fave instruments now. (to listen to, can't play)

post #5614 of 8702
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Originally Posted by marone View Post


I don't know where you get the idea that I listen to music as you characterise my tastes.
100% wrong.

My musical horizons are wider than most and I listen to a wide variety of styles. Whenever I see a home movie or documentary of a musician, invariably their stereo is mid-fi. Few have any head-fi setup even remotely close to what 80% of the members here have. All of the Crate Diggers series reveal DJ after DJ with a very poor sound set up at home. Sure they often have a platter and speakers in every room, but it's a mess, no listening area for sound-stage, and lots of Sony V6 around. When I worked in that industry the guys I knew all had mid-fi setups at home. It was utilitarian - a mixer, platters, some speakers to practice. And of course thousands of records about. Headphones were rarely approaching the Beyer 880 level.

This runs the gamut from Punk to Rock to Wobble to EDM to Big Beat to Jazz to Progressive to Alternative to Pop to Rap to C&W. Perhaps a few 'Classical' artists have a good stereo, but the best I ever saw in a home belonged to Fabian and cost $500,000.

Most good sound is in the houses of music fans and audiophiles.

You can see, readily and with ease, the small nature of the good sound market by looking at the lack of success of HD Tracks and the small market share that labels such as Chesky have. There are NOT many people in the music industry with the sensibilities of a David Chesky, Neil Young, or Linn or Opus 3 Records.

 

You don't have a very speculative mindset, do you ?

 

Just so you know, "Punk to Rock to Wobble to EDM to Big Beat to Jazz to Progressive to Alternative to Pop to Rap to C&W" is not "the gamut", as you claim. Far from it.

And how watching "home movies (what does that even mean ?) and documentaries" is supposed to give an indication of what musicians in general might do, I cannot fathom.

And trying to convince yourself that HD Tracks is the natural habitat of "good sounds"  is beyond ignorant. It's downright offensive to those who sweat and toil in the trenches of art. 

 

I've actually browsed the Chesky Records website to hear their stuff, since I'd never encountered them in real life. And, boy, I am not surprised. Their stuff is the plain old mainstream drudge that every other middle of the road label coughs up hoping to make a buck. No wonder they record this stuff in HD. The only reason to buy into it is to show off your precious DAC. 

 

In the face of that, my advice stands : open your horizon and you'll find that MANY people in the music world are in fact a lot more sensitive (and sensible) than your David Chesky guy.

Not only that, you light actually realize that music is indeed a world, and not just an industry. If you want "audiophile grade" recordings (I shudder to type) that'll actually expand your mind and ears, check out Henry Kaiser's releases on Shanachie, or anything Alpha's put out. Jordi Savall's work sounds great, and is on SACD as well, so you'll be able to show off your sweet SACD player while you're at it. And these are off the top of my head. I'd say the 300+ records I have available at a click of the mouse on Foobar ALL sound much better than your Chesky stuff. Music that actually engages with the living world of sound, and not just the lazy conventions of poor old tired genres, will do that. Check it out.

 

And one last thing : most musicians live complicated, difficult lives, in financial terms at least. Expecting them to own equipment worth many grands and stating flat out that using "mid-fi" means you don't know "good sound" seems, how to say this, insensentive to me. If not totally idiotic. Especially in a HD600 appreciation thread.  

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Your rant against all-things-Chesky doesn't serve you well. I don't care for the Chesky 'house' sound, I don't care for ECM's either. Hell, I'm not a fan of Classical music BUT....this doesn't mean it sux, far from it. I own a couple dozen classical records. Same goes for ECM and Chesky, plenty of gems to be found in their catalogs, all ya gotta do is look. And questioning Chesky's audio quality is just silly, even if the music isn't to your liking, Chesky's commitment to audio quality has been a constant for decades, practically legendary!
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Your rant against all-things-Chesky doesn't serve you well. I don't care for the Chesky 'house' sound, I don't care for ECM's either. Hell, I'm not a fan of Classical music BUT....this doesn't mean it sux, far from it. I own a couple dozen classical records. Same goes for ECM and Chesky, plenty of gems to be found in their catalogs, all ya gotta do is look. And questioning Chesky's audio quality is just silly, even if the music isn't to your liking, Chesky's commitment to audio quality has been a constant for decades, practically legendary!

 

You didn't get me, there : I didn't question the Chesky house sound, I questionned its artistic relevance. And what I saw and heard on their website (since I'd never seen or heard anything of theirs before Marone pointed them out as an exemplar) is the middle of the road  stuff you find in supermarkets everywhere. And that's a far cry from ECM, whose catalogue is filled with VERY adventurous stuff. AMM, Derek Bailey and Evan Parker all have records there, for instance. Look them up, you'll see how far from the mainstream ECM has gone. No such thing at Chesky. 

Exemples.

This is ECM

 

This is Chesky

 

Not quite the same.

post #5617 of 8702
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Originally Posted by Mrtn77 View Post

You didn't get me, there : I didn't question the Chesky house sound, I questionned its artistic relevance. And what I saw and heard on their website (since I'd never seen or heard anything of theirs before Marone pointed them out as an exemplar) is the middle of the road  stuff you find in supermarkets everywhere. And that's a far cry from ECM, whose catalogue is filled with VERY adventurous stuff. AMM, Derek Bailey and Evan Parker all have records there, for instance. Look them up, you'll see how far from the mainstream ECM has gone. No such thing at Chesky. 
Exemples.
This is ECM



This is Chesky



Not quite the same.

I agree with everythig you said, except for the part where you started passing judgement on others opinions of music/labels.
Edited by palmfish - 12/31/13 at 12:07pm
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I hadn't meant to and do apologize if that's what came across. Everyone should engage passionately with whatever music gets them going, be it conventional or adventurous, audiophile or punk.
(But I still passionately disagree with the idea that only the audiophile labels put out good sound !)
post #5619 of 8702
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Originally Posted by Mrtn77 View Post

(But I still passionately disagree with the idea that only the audiophile labels put out good sound !)

That's the truth!

BTW, Rebecca Pidgeons cover of Spanish Harlem is really very good. It was also cool to see her perform in the movie RED...
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

That's the truth!

BTW, Rebecca Pidgeons cover of Spanish Harlem is really very good. It was also cool to see her perform in the movie RED...

One CD that had it was notorious for clipping though. There was a time everyone in our car audio club thought we had sybillance issues (reflections, time alignment) until those with home set ups got the same problem at home, including my own speakers where the tweeter mounts swivel, tried it there and got the same problem. It was actually worse on mine. Curiously enough all other audiophile compilations that had it were normal (which was what started the confusion in our club to begin with, as the others had the normal copies).
post #5621 of 8702
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post

"My musical horizons are wider than most and I listen to a wide variety of styles," comes across as a little bit condescending.

That was my reply to this:
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Originally Posted by Mrtn77

As I said, look beyond MTV, Youtube and the like, expand your musical horizons and you'll find things usually sound great when they're made for love of the art, without endorsement deals, world tours, T-Shirt sales and MTV videos.
post #5622 of 8702

Ordered the HD 600 yesterday, I'm super excited!

post #5623 of 8702
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Ordered the HD 600 yesterday, I'm super excited!

Great, liltehood. Remember, you'll need proper DAC and amp to get them really working, they have the potential. Do not wonder if they sound normal with your notebook's 5-10$ DAC+amp. Just saying in case someone new to this reads this, you probably know this already.


Edited by frequencies - 1/2/14 at 7:46am
post #5624 of 8702
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Originally Posted by frequencies View Post
 

Great, liltehood. Remember, you'll need proper DAC and amp to get them really working, they have the potential. Do not wonder if they sound normal with your notebook's 5-10$ DAC+amp. Just saying in case someone new to this reads this, you probably know this already.

You don't need an expensive amp as they are pretty sensitive for an 300 Ohm set of cans. Of course bottom end cheapo eBay amps are to be avoided. Most notebook DAC/Amps suck and have terrible latency - if you are using music production software, fawget 'bout it. I can plug in my FiiO E18 portable DAC/Amp into my notebook or Galaxy S3 and it does a good job with my HD600's. Great on the go, or even when at home.

post #5625 of 8702
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Of course bottom end cheapo eBay amps are to be avoided. Most notebook DAC/Amps suck and have terrible latency

That's what I mean :) (I don't produce on PC so latency is not my issue)
 

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I can plug in my FiiO E18 portable DAC/Amp into my notebook or Galaxy S3 and it does a good job with my HD600's. Great on the go, or even when at home.

You mean "great" for the things they are, not "great" in terms of comparable to some of >1k$ DACs/amps I guess, right?

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