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post #5596 of 17689
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

Yup I'd go with that. 

 

Getting back to the HD600.. They were originally designed for classical producers. So with that in mind, I'd say that anyone who prefers them over the HD650's has a more critical ear for 'sound quality' over easy listening :D

Picking the HD600's over the HD650's to me was an easy choice, I think they're great for Fusion Jazz, Jimi Hendrix and so on, not just classical. I can't say anything about Hip Hop, the often mean spirited lyrics and a pounding one note (I may be exaggerating a drop) bass lines just doesn't appeal to me.

I've been listening a lot to the Dave Weckl Band lately, sounds great in an HD600 or HE-500. Putting on Beats is like stuffing cotton in my ears. I tried them at BB and J&R, bringing my own music, DAP, etc, and couldn't believe that anyone one would pay so much for them, or any amount however low for the matter. A status symbol for the sonically challenged crowd, but if that floats their boat, that's ok. The suckers will never know what they're missing,


Edited by StanD - 12/30/13 at 6:24pm
post #5597 of 17689
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Originally Posted by Mrtn77 View Post

As I said, look beyond MTV, Youtube and the like, expand your musical horizons and you'll find things usually sound great when they're made for love of the art, without endorsement deals, world tours, T-Shirt sales and MTV videos.

I don't know where you get the idea that I listen to music as you characterise my tastes.
100% wrong.

My musical horizons are wider than most and I listen to a wide variety of styles. Whenever I see a home movie or documentary of a musician, invariably their stereo is mid-fi. Few have any head-fi setup even remotely close to what 80% of the members here have. All of the Crate Diggers series reveal DJ after DJ with a very poor sound set up at home. Sure they often have a platter and speakers in every room, but it's a mess, no listening area for sound-stage, and lots of Sony V6 around. When I worked in that industry the guys I knew all had mid-fi setups at home. It was utilitarian - a mixer, platters, some speakers to practice. And of course thousands of records about. Headphones were rarely approaching the Beyer 880 level.

This runs the gamut from Punk to Rock to Wobble to EDM to Big Beat to Jazz to Progressive to Alternative to Pop to Rap to C&W. Perhaps a few 'Classical' artists have a good stereo, but the best I ever saw in a home belonged to Fabian and cost $500,000.

Most good sound is in the houses of music fans and audiophiles.

You can see, readily and with ease, the small nature of the good sound market by looking at the lack of success of HD Tracks and the small market share that labels such as Chesky have. There are NOT many people in the music industry with the sensibilities of a David Chesky, Neil Young, or Linn or Opus 3 Records.
post #5598 of 17689
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Originally Posted by marone View Post

I don't know where you get the idea that I listen to music as you characterise my tastes.
100% wrong.

My musical horizons are wider than most and I listen to a wide variety of styles. Whenever I see a home movie or documentary of a musician, invariably their stereo is mid-fi. Few have any head-fi setup even remotely close to what 80% of the members here have. All of the Crate Diggers series reveal DJ after DJ with a very poor sound set up at home. Sure they often have a platter and speakers in every room, but it's a mess, no listening area for sound-stage, and lots of Sony V6 around. When I worked in that industry the guys I knew all had mid-fi setups at home. It was utilitarian - a mixer, platters, some speakers to practice. And of course thousands of records about. Headphones were rarely approaching the Beyer 880 level.

This runs the gamut from Punk to Rock to Wobble to EDM to Big Beat to Jazz to Progressive to Alternative to Pop to Rap to C&W. Perhaps a few 'Classical' artists have a good stereo, but the best I ever saw in a home belonged to Fabian and cost $500,000.

Most good sound is in the houses of music fans and audiophiles.

You can see, readily and with ease, the small nature of the good sound market by looking at the lack of success of HD Tracks and the small market share that labels such as Chesky have. There are NOT many people in the music industry with the sensibilities of a David Chesky, Neil Young, or Linn or Opus 3 Records.

Horizons wider than most?

Home movies and documentaries?

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post #5599 of 17689
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Originally Posted by marone View Post


I don't know where you get the idea that I listen to music as you characterise my tastes.
100% wrong.

My musical horizons are wider than most and I listen to a wide variety of styles. Whenever I see a home movie or documentary of a musician, invariably their stereo is mid-fi. Few have any head-fi setup even remotely close to what 80% of the members here have. All of the Crate Diggers series reveal DJ after DJ with a very poor sound set up at home. Sure they often have a platter and speakers in every room, but it's a mess, no listening area for sound-stage, and lots of Sony V6 around. When I worked in that industry the guys I knew all had mid-fi setups at home. It was utilitarian - a mixer, platters, some speakers to practice. And of course thousands of records about. Headphones were rarely approaching the Beyer 880 level.

This runs the gamut from Punk to Rock to Wobble to EDM to Big Beat to Jazz to Progressive to Alternative to Pop to Rap to C&W. Perhaps a few 'Classical' artists have a good stereo, but the best I ever saw in a home belonged to Fabian and cost $500,000.

Most good sound is in the houses of music fans and audiophiles.

You can see, readily and with ease, the small nature of the good sound market by looking at the lack of success of HD Tracks and the small market share that labels such as Chesky have. There are NOT many people in the music industry with the sensibilities of a David Chesky, Neil Young, or Linn or Opus 3 Records.

Music fans and Audiophiles vastly outnumber musicians, So how many people can hear the difference between 320 kbbs mp3's and Flac files without bursting an artery in their heads or forgetting how to enjoy music because they're too busy chasing something either imagined or so subtle that it isn't worth the effort?

"My musical horizons are wider than most and I listen to a wide variety of styles," comes across as a little bit condescending. I hope that I'm wrong.


Edited by StanD - 12/30/13 at 9:35pm
post #5600 of 17689

Happy NEW YEAR guys... have a super year ahead !!!

post #5601 of 17689
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Hendrix created a distorted sound that was specific, I'd like to hear it as intended, not messed with by crappy kit. Although a full DR may not be part of the elecric music (fusion jazz, roock, pop, etc) experience, that doesn't mean there are no dynamics, ever. So why do you think that one cannot achieve sounds in a modern recording studio that one could have in the past (60's & 70's)? I think there are sounds that one can achieve today that were not possible in the past.

I don't think that you can't achieve retro sounds in a modern studio. I did do it. But you have to know how they recorded the likes of the Hendrix, Beatles in order to replicate it. Rather than pressing a modern effects pedal with a programmed hendrix effect haha.

 

I think you missed my point, in my early days in studios we were trying to replicate the 'sound' of Hendrix etc. Not better what he did. For us it was perfect already. For e.g I wouldn't want to hear Voodoo Chile played with a modern Ibanez and state of the art effects.... Or make the drums more dynamic and spaced. The analogue sound and distortions are all part of the 60'd sound. We used to degrade the sound quality on purpose to try and make it sound rough and ready.

 

and just to add to your quotes above:

Hendrix created multiple guitar sounds, much more than most guitarists and wasn't only a specific distorted sound. He experimented like no other in the studio at the time. 

 

Of course you have dynamics with Rock, Pop etc... what a silly thing to say!  But all synthetic sounds are by nature compressed. Acoustic music will always be more dynamic.

 

And finally.. Yes there will be sounds one can achieve today that were not possible in the past.... :rolleyes: 

 

(not one of your better posts Stan ;)

post #5602 of 17689
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

I don't think that you can't achieve retro sounds in a modern studio. I did do it. But you have to know how they recorded the likes of the Hendrix, Beatles in order to replicate it. Rather than pressing a modern effects pedal with a programmed hendrix effect haha.

 

I think you missed my point, in my early days in studios we were trying to replicate the 'sound' of Hendrix etc. Not better what he did. For us it was perfect already. For e.g I wouldn't want to hear Voodoo Chile played with a modern Ibanez and state of the art effects.... Or make the drums more dynamic and spaced. The analogue sound and distortions are all part of the 60'd sound. We used to degrade the sound quality on purpose to try and make it sound rough and ready.

 

and just to add to your quotes above:

Hendrix created multiple guitar sounds, much more than most guitarists and wasn't only a specific distorted sound. He experimented like no other in the studio at the time. 

 

Of course you have dynamics with Rock, Pop etc... what a silly thing to say!  But all synthetic sounds are by nature compressed. Acoustic music will always be more dynamic.

 

And finally.. Yes there will be sounds one can achieve today that were not possible in the past.... :rolleyes: 

 

(not one of your better posts Stan ;)

I think you might be getting a bit silly. Strats are still available, I have two of them. Much of the Strat sound comes from single coil pickups, you can get stacked coils that eliminate all that hum and still have that same sound. Marshal tube amps/stacks and other like sounding amps are available. You can even get a Vox Wah with the same circuits, I still have my ancient one. The rest is turning it up and learning the guitar skills. Perhaps the skills are less common due to the consumer demand for T&A (anatomical abbreviations) music and Rap causing a diminshing supply of guitar talent. I said diminishing, not nonexistant.

Not all synthetic sounds are compressed, only for a lot of todays music that is what is used, You can get digital synthesizers that simulate an analog synthesizer and do it rather well. I have such a Roland and it has controls just like an ADSR to set the envelope and touch controls from a midi source. Heck you can do all of this on a fast computer with software, try a recent version of calkwalk, although it has a steep learning curve it does amazing things.

Hmm, I still have a couple of busted Arp 2600's that Edgar Winter gave me back in 1975, I should fix them, but they are not feeling well at all, not one functioning VCO amongst them and the keyboard contacts must be so corroded over by now.. He had spares for his backups. I think his roadies weren't appreciative of this but he has a superb sense of pitch and was bothered by the slightest issues with tuning, I used to tease him about the music he played for the masses vs. his level of talent.

You should be more open to what can be done as opposed to what is commonly done by too many lazy musicians that twerk or play the same sampled sounds as the rest of them do.

And so I reciprocate (not one of your better posts LugBug :D ).

Time to listen to Voodo Chile (slight return) and then Pali Gap to cross a wide spectrum of Hendrix in just to pieces. You ever listen to Pali Gap? Now it's  off to my cans and then off to breakfast.

post #5603 of 17689
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

 

And so I reciprocate (not one of your better posts LugBug :D ).

Time to listen to Voodo Chile (slight return) and then Pali Gap to cross a wide spectrum of Hendrix in just to pieces. You ever listen to Pali Gap? Now it's  off to my cans and then off to breakfast.

I think you'll find that my post was a fine example of my integrity and superior audio knowledge.  :biggrin:

 

But seriously, Voodoo Chile is one of the reasons I learned guitar in the first place. Saved up for a Strat and the rest is history... Fender amp and Vox Wah pedal, turn the gain up and you can be Hendrix! 

 

:beerchug:

post #5604 of 17689
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

I think you'll find that my post was a fine example of my integrity and superior audio knowledge.  :biggrin:

 

But seriously, Voodoo Chile is one of the reasons I learned guitar in the first place. Saved up for a Strat and the rest is history... Fender amp and Vox Wah pedal, turn the gain up and you can be Hendrix! 

 

:beerchug:

Voodo Chile is the reason that I started listening to rock and playing guitar. Drop tuning to E flat is not convenient when you have to retune to play other things, You could play it in E and hardly anyone would notice. I got my Strat at Manny's on the famous 48th Street musical instrument store district of Mnahattan. While pricing guitars I went into Terminal Music and landed a summer job fixing and modifying electic guitars. I started by fixing electrical problems, straightening necks, fining intonation and lowering the action. They taught me how to do fret jobs.

Here's the last Strat I bought and modified a number of years ago. Seymor Duncan pickups, new pickguard and electrical tricks, Humbucker at the bridge position that fits a slot for a Strat pickup and the other two are stacked coils that sound original but without hum.

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Thats an absolute beauty Stan. I've got a classic Clapton black and white usa Strat that I've had since I was a teenager. It's the only strat I've owned and ive had to file the frets down a couple of times now. I'm a lefty so guitars have always been quite hard for me to buy, especially days before the internet and I would have to order them without trying sometimes. I also have a Yamaha acoustic and Epiphone Les Paul but thats all I have now. I have had some quite good stacks over the years though from Marshall and Trace Elliot.

 

I played live on average every week from the age of 17 to 30. I don't miss playing live at all now (I'm 43) But I have an occurring dream most nights where I have forgot to change my strings and I panic haha

 

Heres a little youtube clip (really bad video took ten minutes to put together) I made of one of my current songs. Its meant to be rough and is a biker tune :) If you stay tuned you'll see pics of me. (you need to turn volume right up as its quiet)

 

 


Edited by LugBug1 - 12/31/13 at 8:13am
post #5606 of 17689

^^^

Awesome! Thanks for sharing that!

post #5607 of 17689

Which one of the two are you? Did you ever listen to Hendrix's Pali Gap? Put on your HD600's or whatever is good today and listen to the below

 

 

post #5608 of 17689
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post
 

^^^

Awesome! Thanks for sharing that!

Thanks bud :) I don't take myself very seriously like I used too and just mess about for fun now. To think what you can do on a home pc now compared to what we used to spend thousands on renting studios... Crazy!

post #5609 of 17689
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Which one of the two are you? Did you ever listen to Hendrix's Pali Gap? Put on your HD600's or whatever is good today and listen to the below

 

 

That was amazing with the HD600, don't think I've heard it before. Hmmm got me in the mood for some more! 

 

(Oh, and I'm the better looking one ;) 

post #5610 of 17689
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Thanks bud smily_headphones1.gif I don't take myself very seriously like I used too and just mess about for fun now. To think what you can do on a home pc now compared to what we used to spend thousands on renting studios... Crazy!

It makes no difference why you do it, just that you do it and enjoy it biggrin.gif

I come from a family of musicians and played trumpet throughout secondary school, but I never had the gift of creating music or even improvising on a theme.

You are fortunate to have the talent and the means and I hope you continue to do so,

Cheers!
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