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post #5551 of 9050
StanD no offense but I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Easily rebuttable points which I'll address later on.
post #5552 of 9050
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

StanD no offense but I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Easily rebuttable points which I'll address later on.

Bring it on. I'm an electrical engineer that has designed electronic music synthesizers, Industrial Automation Instrumentation, Analog and Digital Comunications Systems and have been in some of the finest recording studios in New York. Many of my designs were tested and certified in laboratories, even the NBS in the USA or others around the world. I've been around the block, several times.

post #5553 of 9050
Kind of funny that Schiit took all that fabulous modern electronics techology and ruined it with vacuum tubes. At least the Crack is exactly what it appears (and claims) to be.

I didnt buy my Crack because of its performance measurements. I bought it because I thought it would be fun to build and fun to watch the tubes glow while I listen to music. The fact that it is a match made in heaven with Sennheisers is simply icing on the cake. biggrin.gif
post #5554 of 9050
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Kind of funny that Schiit took all that fabulous modern electronics techology and ruined it with vacuum tubes. At least the Crack is exactly what it appears (and claims) to be.

I didnt buy my Crack because of its performance measurements. I bought it because I thought it would be fun to build and fun to watch the tubes glow while I listen to music. The fact that it is a match made in heaven with Sennheisers is simply icing on the cake. biggrin.gif

Actually the Schiit is a well designed tube amp. It's doesn't rely on closed loop feedback and sounds like a decent tube amp. I'd prefer that it is constructed using modern methods,

You've enjoyed building your amp which is part of the hobby fun. Did you get the Speedball upgrade? I'm having fun fooling around with my own design, since I didn't add in the output relays yet, I have to be careful to plug in my cans after I've plugged in the two wall warts that make my temporary power supply. I'll get around to those things after I've finished improving sound related stuff.

post #5555 of 9050
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Originally Posted by frequencies View Post
 

Stan, ok. I prefer more flat, like treble and do not like bass, so hd600. If Crack isn't too precise, that's still ok for me, good reviews about it though. If Crack is warm and 600 flat that's a good combo I read.

 

    Not all people or even audiophiles like the true sound.

    Studio sound is for studio. The equipments there is supposed to be sound music as it is  so that they can blend it altogether.

    They are many brands in the market which colored the sound so that they can make music sound more musical to our taste

    Do Krell or Pass Labs (designed  by Nelson Pass) sound the same. Hell no , at least not to my ears

    Some like to hear bass, some like to hear  mids & some like to hear  treble . 

 

   When i am using my hd600, i do feel that the sounds colored a bit (more warm) when i comparing it to  hd800.

   But, to me this is where the HD600 excels because i am able to bring me to its world of music.

   To me Hd800 is about real thing while HD600 is about being in a fantasy land.

    By the way, i am using hybrid amp made by a friend of mine which uses cca pre 1965 tubes.

    How much it will cost you if you buy from a reputable seller ? Just forget about it.

 

  Crack have so many good reviews all around the world when driving Hd600.

  Better yet, it also recieved good reviews when driving   HD800 which is well known for its "picky attitude" towards any equipment

  Any amp that can  Hd800 sings is worthy of an equipment  esp for that low price

post #5556 of 9050
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Actually the Schiit is a well designed tube amp. It's doesn't rely on closed loop feedback and sounds like a decent tube amp. I'd prefer that it is constructed using modern methods,

You've enjoyed building your amp which is part of the hobby fun. Did you get the Speedball upgrade? I'm having fun fooling around with my own design, since I didn't add in the output relays yet, I have to be careful to plug in my cans after I've plugged in the two wall warts that make my temporary power supply. I'll get around to those things after I've finished improving sound related stuff.

  

   Hate that "poop" when the the lyr is first turn "on" or "off".

   It sounded a bit edgy to me even though all my equipments is using their own dedicated powerline

   I only use it as a pre amp to make my comp speaker sounds good,,actually very good

   Schitt have good design alright but their stock  tubes ( not sure about the new ones) is so :confused_face: 

post #5557 of 9050

My opinion is that the recording artist/conductor, producer and recording engineers worked together to create something with a certain expression, feeling and sound and I want to hear that without altering it. If they botched the job it is most likely that one is not going to fix it with tubes or transistors.
At best one can fix some things with EQ or try to compensate for the fact that with cans one doesn't feel the music with their body and try to boost the bass a bit to get around that. If the mix is bad, there's too much echo or reverb, there's unwanted distortion, too much or too litle delay or a host of other things, one is not going to be able to do anything about it.
My feeling is that the most important element we have is the headphone or IEM as they have mechanical and acoustical properties that work with the shape of our individual anatomies. So I try to find cans that sound the most accurate to me without having to fool around much elsewhere, get a clean amp and other equipment (DACs, etc) that can drive my cans well and get good source material/music. Then I stand a chance of hearing what was intended with the feeling that was wished to be conveyed. If the recording is poor but I really like the music I might just have to bear with it.
I will not try to do what cannot be done or fool myself into thinking otherwise. Nor do I want to add some even order harmonic distortion that gives 'warmth' where it was not intended because it will do it to everything.
To me a well designed SS amp that has very low distortion and can properly drive my cans is what I'm looking for. By the way it is possible to design a tube amp that accomplishes the same goals and for the most part will sound identical. If either amp distorts then something is wrong and needs to be addressed.
This is how I feel. If someone enjoys tinkering and rolling tubes, etc. then that's fine with me, have fun, it's a hobby. I might address subjective posts when it strikes me so as to balance it with my opinion and provide information for others. Many times people hear what isn't there or don't hear what is there, listening is a tricky matter. See my signature, below.

post #5558 of 9050
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post

Actually the Schiit is a well designed tube amp. It's doesn't rely on closed loop feedback and sounds like a decent tube amp. I'd prefer that it is constructed using modern methods,
You've enjoyed building your amp which is part of the hobby fun. Did you get the Speedball upgrade? I'm having fun fooling around with my own design, since I didn't add in the output relays yet, I have to be careful to plug in my cans after I've plugged in the two wall warts that make my temporary power supply. I'll get around to those things after I've finished improving sound related stuff.

I feel the same way as you do about amps. Basically, choose the headphones that sound best to you and get an amp that has sufficient power to drive them cleanly.

No, I haven't installed the Speedball upgrade and I dont know if I will. Tube amps for me are a fun part of the hobby, which is why when I decided to get one, I chose the Crack. I have a high quality SS amp already so I wanted my tube amp to look and sound the part.

And Stan, if you havent heard the Crack paired specifically with a 300 ohm Sennheiser, you owe it to yourself to try it. It is a very good combination. Not accurate. Not uncolored. Just really good.
post #5559 of 9050
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post


I feel the same way as you do about amps. Basically, choose the headphones that sound best to you and get an amp that has sufficient power to drive them cleanly.

No, I haven't installed the Speedball upgrade and I dont know if I will. Tube amps for me are a fun part of the hobby, which is why when I decided to get one, I chose the Crack. I have a high quality SS amp already so I wanted my tube amp to look and sound the part.

And Stan, if you havent heard the Crack paired specifically with a 300 ohm Sennheiser, you owe it to yourself to try it. It is a very good combination. Not accurate. Not uncolored. Just really good.

It takes a brave man to say how you really feel about cans and amps around here :D

I was thinking of fooling around with a tube amp but I just picked up an HE-500 and bought fancy eyeglasses for myself and wife, so between that and Christmas the wallet needs a rest. Plus I'm fiddling with an amp of my own, tomorrow I've got to pick up some new power transistors. For now, any more and I'll have to stop sleeping :blink:

post #5560 of 9050
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post

It takes a brave man to say how you really feel about cans and amps around here biggrin.gif
I was thinking of fooling around with a tube amp but I just picked up an HE-500 and bought fancy eyeglasses for myself and wife, so between that and Christmas the wallet needs a rest. Plus I'm fiddling with an amp of my own, tomorrow I've got to pick up some new power transistors. For now, any more and I'll have to stop sleeping blink.gif

Not brave, just a sense of humor. Sure! I get hassled by the 5%ers sometimes but I just think it's part of the hobby. Always has been.

Helll, Ive been tempted by all the glowing remarks about Eddie Current and GS-X and WA22 and Liquid Fire, yada, yada, ding, dong. But every time I try the stuff out, I just dont hear much if any difference between the "summit-fi" gear and my pedestrian gear.

I could spend $3000 on a ToTl amp and $1500 for a TOTL DAC, but my Asus E1 sounds fantastic and it only cost $700. That left me with $2000 to spend at the SCUBA shop for a new dry suit, BCD, and regulator/octopus - and $800 for a new windshield for my car. With the money left, I took my car to the track for a lapping day then had a really nice sushi dinner.

So let me recap... TOTL Amp and DAC.......or.......ASUS E1 Muses +SCUBA gear + windshield + track lapping day + sushi biggrin.gif
Edited by palmfish - 12/29/13 at 7:10am
post #5561 of 9050
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..NASA..

The few errors one can make in soldering Crack are like nothing. Also: This is not NASA after all :D

 

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If I was going the tube route I'd rather get a Schiit Valhalla, it has a better design, much better build quality, looks much nicer and is not a kit and comes with a 5 year warranty. As long as you can drive them, almost all of the sound quality is coming from the HD600's which are an excellant choice.

It might be better in design but I find Crack as a kit something good to learn and I find it looks better :)

 

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I didnt buy my Crack because of its performance measurements. I bought it because I thought it would be fun to build and fun to watch the tubes glow while I listen to music. The fact that it is a match made in heaven with Sennheisers is simply icing on the cake.

My opinion.

 

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When i am using my hd600, i do feel that the sounds colored a bit (more warm) when i comparing it to  hd800.

   But, to me this is where the HD600 excels because i am able to bring me to its world of music.

   To me Hd800 is about real thing while HD600 is about being in a fantasy land.

    By the way, i am using hybrid amp made by a friend of mine which uses cca pre 1965 tubes.

    How much it will cost you if you buy from a reputable seller ? Just forget about it.

 

  Crack have so many good reviews all around the world when driving Hd600.

  Better yet, it also recieved good reviews when driving   HD800 which is well known for its "picky attitude" towards any equipment

  Any amp that can  Hd800 sings is worthy of an equipment  esp for that low price

800 is too expensive I also don't need pure flat studio sound.

So yeah Crack is not bad :D

 

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So let me recap... TOTL Amp and DAC.......or.......ASUS E1 Muses +.SCUBA gear + windshield + track lapping day + sushi

The latter indeed :D


Edited by frequencies - 12/28/13 at 11:56pm
post #5562 of 9050
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Originally Posted by frequencies View Post
 
..NASA..

The few errors one can make in soldering Crack are like nothing. Also: This is not NASA after all :D

 

To a many a beginner, mistakes in soldering happen all too often. If one drinks the koolaid and makes this their first and only amp, there's a good chance they'll have nothing to listen with once it fails. A beginner may not have the technical skills to find the fault, some cold solder joints may not be eay to spot for a newbie. How about finding a component that was damaged from overheating, a person new to this can easily do that.

 

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If I was going the tube route I'd rather get a Schiit Valhalla, it has a better design, much better build quality, looks much nicer and is not a kit and comes with a 5 year warranty. As long as you can drive them, almost all of the sound quality is coming from the HD600's which are an excellant choice.

It might be better in design but I find Crack as a kit something good to learn and I find it looks better :)

 

Are you kidding, the Crack looks like a school project. One can find an inexpensive kit to learn on at RadioShack, so if they mess it up the cost is less and they won't be frustrated by not having something to plug their cans into.

 

My first kit was a Heathkit shortwave radio with tubes and had both a PCB as well as some point to point wiring. I still have it in my garage. My wife wants me to throw it out, but I still refuse to. :D

 

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I didnt buy my Crack because of its performance measurements. I bought it because I thought it would be fun to build and fun to watch the tubes glow while I listen to music. The fact that it is a match made in heaven with Sennheisers is simply icing on the cake.

My opinion.

Yes everyone is entitled to their opinion, I will never make light of that. I will say that I don't think it's a match made in heavan.

 

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When i am using my hd600, i do feel that the sounds colored a bit (more warm) when i comparing it to  hd800.

   But, to me this is where the HD600 excels because i am able to bring me to its world of music.

   To me Hd800 is about real thing while HD600 is about being in a fantasy land.

    By the way, i am using hybrid amp made by a friend of mine which uses cca pre 1965 tubes.

    How much it will cost you if you buy from a reputable seller ? Just forget about it.

 

  Crack have so many good reviews all around the world when driving Hd600.

  Better yet, it also recieved good reviews when driving   HD800 which is well known for its "picky attitude" towards any equipment

  Any amp that can  Hd800 sings is worthy of an equipment  esp for that low price

800 is too expensive I also don't need pure flat studio sound.

So yeah Crack is not bad :D

 

Yes the HD800 does cost an arm and a leg but it does sound great, but I didn't buy one for 1500 reasons, maye another time.

OK, the Crack is not bad, IMO it's not so incredibly great either and for the price I think one can do better.

post #5563 of 9050
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post


Not brave, just a sense of humor. Sure! I get hassled by the 5%ers sometimes but I just think it's part of the hobby. Always has been.

Helll, Ive been tempted by all the glowing remarks about Eddie Current and GS-X and WA22 and Liquid Fire, yada, yada, ding, dong. But every time I try the stuff out, I just dont hear much if any difference between the "summit-fi" gear and my pedestrian gear.

I could spend $3000 on a ToTl amp and $1500 for a TOTL DAC, but my Asus E1 sounds fantastic and it only cost $700. That left me with $2000 to spend at the SCUBA shop for a new dry suit, BCD, and regulator/octopus - and $800 for a new windshield for my car. With the money left, I took my car to the track for a lapping day then had a really nice sushi dinner.

So let me recap... TOTL Amp and DAC.......or.......ASUS E1 Muses +SCUBA gear + windshield + track lapping day + sushi biggrin.gif

I could use some Hamachi right now. Skip the rice, I'll go for some Sashimi.

Once HiFi religeon takes over all reason goes out the door and it's easy to get branded for heresy. That's OK with me, they've got a load invested in paper weights and like you  I've more $$$ to use for other things. Well at least they are having a good time and feeding the economy, can't argue with that.  I'm bad.


Edited by StanD - 12/29/13 at 9:15am
post #5564 of 9050
You are bad! wink.gif

We will have to agree to disagree about the Crack. You really are painting the Crack in an unfairly poor light. I suspect you have never owned one yourself? They come together quite easily and have a large forum of support to get novices over the few hiccups that a beginner might encounter. Overall, it is a fun amp to built and it does sound very good.

I had a Heathkit amp when I was a kid - my dad made it for me for my birthday. I had one of those Radio Shack 150-in-1 kits as well...

We all have our priorities Stan and decide what to spend our money on. I have no problem with people who spend thoudands of dollars on audio gear - I did it myself during the 80's with my stereo then 20 years later with my home theater.

The only "problem" I see around here is an appaent abundance of younger people buying expensive gear with money they dont have when they should be putting it into an IRA instead. Oh, and listening too loud too often.

But I try not to judge because I made foolish choices too when I was just starting out.
Edited by palmfish - 12/29/13 at 9:55am
post #5565 of 9050

I'm not kidding Stan, the big good tubes fit better the wooden, analogue, style. You may think because it's not PCB and one tube per two channels that it is bad? Somewhere I read that the tube on Crack goes up to ~50kHz, even if that is 25kHz per channel, human hearing goes up to like 20kHz (you know this), but so much for kHzs. Like palmfish said you should try it first. I bet for the hd600 one hardly needs to spend more money for a better (more detailed) amp, Crack gets all out of it.

 

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The only "problem" I see around here is an appaent abundance of younger people buying expensive gear with money they dont have when they should be putting it into an IRA instead. Oh, and listening too loud too often.
 
But I try not to judge because I made foolish choices too when I was just starting out.

Remembers me of Carlin's quote: "Consumption. This is the new national pastime. **** baseball, it's consumption, the only true, lasting American value that's left . . . buying things . . . People spending money they don't have on things they don't need . . . So they can max out their credit cards and spend the rest of their lives paying 18 percent interest on something that cost $12.50. And they didn't like it when they got it home anyway. Not too bright, folks, not too ******* bright."

 

I always try not to listen too load to music because destroying ears is not good and foolish :D

As long as one doesn't spend as near as much money one has, it's ok to try things out (no drugs and stuff) because you only live once.


Edited by frequencies - 12/29/13 at 12:34pm
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