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post #4381 of 8606
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Originally Posted by Velocity View Post

Hi guys. Last day I was to the hifi-store because my HD600-cable had broken..
But in the store they said they only had HD650-cables, and I told them I not wanted to change the sound in any way.. 
Then they said that HD650-cable is better in any way, so i bought it, 
But now I sit here thinking about my hd600 sounds a tiny bit smoother, and a tiny tiny bit more bass...
Could it be so? Or is it just some placebo going on. 
You are right, this is just the placebo effect because this was a new cable. However, beware of second-hand cables. They are contaminated by the equipment on which they were used. If you continually swap the same cable between HD600 and HD650, eventually the two will sound the same.

I once modded a Grado cable to use on my HD600s, and it took only 20 minutes for my ears to start bleeding from all the treble.
Edited by Delirious Lab - 9/28/13 at 5:27am
post #4382 of 8606
Yeah, but on the upside, when I recabled my HD800s, I wired the old cable to a pair of Philips Downtowns and PRESTO!!! they now sound exactly like my HD800s.

So for anyone out there who wants a pair of HD800s, but doesn't have the cash, I suggest you buy a used HD800 cable. In fact, I have a second used HD800 cable I can sell you for just a couple hundred dollars. It's a great way to get HD800 quality on the cheap...
post #4383 of 8606
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

 

Good for you! And I can totally understand where you are coming from. 

 

Why does it make sense to go back from a HD800 to a HD600? :) 

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It will be an interesting prospect to compare cable SQ once I have enough to buy an SPC cable. If there's any difference, I'd chalk it up as a product of placebo effect and confirmation bias.

 

The only exception I'd make is changing from the HD25-1 II's steel cable to a copper one. There's no way around it, there was an audible difference.

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So AKG K712 or HD600 for classical symponies and chamber music, amps Grace m902 and Beresford Bushmaster...must be comfy enough for several

hours a day       I'm in dubio..:blink:

 

What do you guys think??

post #4386 of 8606
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Originally Posted by Quinto View Post
 

So AKG K712 or HD600 for classical symponies and chamber music, amps Grace m902 and Beresford Bushmaster...must be comfy enough for several

hours a day       I'm in dubio..:blink:

 

What do you guys think??

 

I would go for the HD600. Even though I haven't heard the K712. I've have owned K701 twice and K702. It's the Senn's tonality that is leagues better than the AKG's.

 

The AKG's impress with the large soundstage, but this impression soon wears thin. I like the AKG's but I've always had the same problem. It's the peaks in the upper mids, this is unnatural to my ears. People have described the mids as 'plastiky' or 'nasal' and I'd agree. They need equalizing to fix them. Fix them to sound more natural. Even when they are equalized they still have a tendency to bring out the worst in a recording. This can be good for mixing purposes.. But not for pleasure. 

 

The Senn's tonality is their greatest attribute. Instruments sound real.. The soundstage and imaging are great, nothing stretched or squashed. Very airy. Even with old classical recordings, the Senn's will replicate it with a little added warmth and air. Nothing ever sounds offensive.

 

For both classical and Jazz I'd recommend the Senn's.  Just make sure you bend the metal on the headband otherwise you'll be waiting months for the vice grip to ease. After that they are a very comfortable headphone. 

 

Oh, and I can testify that Mr Gould's Bach recordings sound very good with them! ;)

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Yeah I generally agree. I think they would both be good for classical and chamber. If you value tonality most get the HD600 if you value soundstage and instrument separation most get the K712.

post #4388 of 8606
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Originally Posted by Quinto View Post
 

So AKG K712 or HD600 for classical symponies and chamber music, amps Grace m902 and Beresford Bushmaster...must be comfy enough for several

hours a day       I'm in dubio..:blink:

 

What do you guys think??

 

 

Your K501 is lost or sold ??? :confused_face(1): 

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K501 is here to stay, I just want a more balanced HP though for orchestral stuff like Shostakovich/Mahler, cause the AKG isn't up to the lower regions...

 

Still love them to death though with strings and small scale Jazz stuff  .. My GS1000/Grace is really wonderful with solo piano and string quartets, but not with orchestral stuff, too much bass :o

 

So I need one more HF, and then I'll stop :D  I'm lookin for good natural bass, decent detail, soundstage and separation and natural treble..

post #4390 of 8606
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

 

I would go for the HD600. Even though I haven't heard the K712. I've have owned K701 twice and K702. It's the Senn's tonality that is leagues better than the AKG's.

 

The AKG's impress with the large soundstage, but this impression soon wears thin. I like the AKG's but I've always had the same problem. It's the peaks in the upper mids, this is unnatural to my ears. People have described the mids as 'plastiky' or 'nasal' and I'd agree. They need equalizing to fix them. Fix them to sound more natural. Even when they are equalized they still have a tendency to bring out the worst in a recording. This can be good for mixing purposes.. But not for pleasure. 

 

The Senn's tonality is their greatest attribute. Instruments sound real.. The soundstage and imaging are great, nothing stretched or squashed. Very airy. Even with old classical recordings, the Senn's will replicate it with a little added warmth and air. Nothing ever sounds offensive.

 

For both classical and Jazz I'd recommend the Senn's.  Just make sure you bend the metal on the headband otherwise you'll be waiting months for the vice grip to ease. After that they are a very comfortable headphone. 

 

Oh, and I can testify that Mr Gould's Bach recordings sound very good with them! ;)

Cheers, nothing touches Gould's '81 Goldberg Variations on my Grado/Grace I think :wink_face:

 

I'm just wondering if the K712 has overcome the thinness I dislike on my K501 orchestral stuff... 

 

darn decisions decisions..

post #4391 of 8606
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Originally Posted by Quinto View Post
 

K501 is here to stay, I just want a more balanced HP though for orchestral stuff like Shostakovich/Mahler, cause the AKG isn't up to the lower regions...

 

Still love them to death though with strings and small scale Jazz stuff  .. My GS1000/Grace is really wonderful with solo piano and string quartets, but not with orchestral stuff, too much bass :o

 

So I need one more HF, and then I'll stop :D  I'm lookin for good natural bass, decent detail, soundstage and separation and natural treble..

 

You Should try an All-in-one and go to HD800  :tongue_smile:

 

IMO HD600/580 is a good all rounder but I don't feel it answers perfectly your request. Since I have my HD800 I can't really adivce other can to reproduce perfectly large orchestral stuff. Image, Body , wieght,  Impact , bass ....  definitely another world compared to all I tried before . I think I really like Grados for Baroque music but for classical/romantic/modern orchestral stuff , HD800 is THE headphone.  I heard briefly K712 a few days ago . I didn't notice huge differences from the K701 I remember. Good cans but not in the same league that the HD800


Edited by Sorrodje - 9/28/13 at 3:01pm
post #4392 of 8606

Just briefly while we're on the subject :)

 

Have you ever heard the BMG zenph retake of the 55 recording? 

 

It's very clever stuff and worth a listen even if it's not actually Glen hitting the keys. Plus there is a binaural version on the same disc.

 

Defo one for audiophiles rather than classical purists, but recommended all the same :)

post #4393 of 8606
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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post
 

 

You Should try an All-in-one and go to HD800  :tongue_smile:

 

 

Couldn't agree more. They are the ultimate classical headphone imo. 

post #4394 of 8606
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

Couldn't agree more. They are the ultimate classical headphone imo. 

 

 

Mmmmmh I had a Stax SR303 + SRM323 loaned by a friend of mine recently and these Electrostats can surely compete. this old mid-fi stax does some things better than HD800 in my opinion. but not for the body and the weight Quinto seems to look for. This SR303 remembered me more my K501. refined , delicate , subtle. HD800 sounds more punchier in my opinion. 


Edited by Sorrodje - 9/28/13 at 3:10pm
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I haven't heard any Stax... But its on my list of things to do before I die :D

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