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post #3706 of 17469
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Originally Posted by rnadell View Post

Does detail come from the headphones only in a headphone system?

Or    does it come from the total package, source dac etc.????

I have an analog source and I have a lot more detail with that than

I do with my cheap and I acknowledge cheap CD player. 

Detail is mostly dependent on your headphones, then the amp, then dac in my opinion. Whats your analog source?

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Idk, really the source material is the ultimate limiter but whichever is the weakest link in the chain is always going to be what actively holds back the rest of the system.
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Originally Posted by PanamaHat View Post

Detail is mostly dependent on your headphones, then the amp, then dac in my opinion. Whats your analog source?
post #3708 of 17469
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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post

Idk, really the source material is the ultimate limiter but whichever is the weakest link in the chain is always going to be what actively holds back the rest of the system.

First my analog system is a Music Reference rm4+ phono preamp and the tt is a Technics SP10 mkll

with a micro seiki arm and a Grace Ruby cartridge. I am trying to convert from two channel speaker system to head phones. I am one step from purchasing a pair of 600's, just looking for the right deal. 

Unfortunately headphones are like all the rest of audio, it cost a lot of time and $$$ to find something you can live with. 

Gilly, I agree that the source material is the ultimate limiter, however without something to translate that material you have nothing. I suggest that the total package is the answer and that doesn't come without $$$ and heartache and most of all the love of music.

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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post

Idk, really the source material is the ultimate limiter but whichever is the weakest link in the chain is always going to be what actively holds back the rest of the system.

In my opinion wink.gif

abx tests with different dacs in marginal price ranges kinda prove that dacs aren't such a limiting factor as long as you have something decent (I use the odac). As for amps I hear very slight differences. Over $300 most of the well-received  amps are technically adept, they just have slightly different flavors. Then there's tube rolling.

post #3710 of 17469

Had to share this. My daughter loved the HD600! She thought there was plenty of bass. 

 

700

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Originally Posted by PanamaHat View Post

In my opinion wink.gif

abx tests with different dacs in marginal price ranges kinda prove that dacs aren't such a limiting factor as long as you have something decent (I use the odac). As for amps I hear very slight differences. Over $300 most of the well-received  amps are technically adept, they just have slightly different flavors. Then there's tube rolling.

 

There is more to the chain than the electronics, there is the source then you have the material (music) itself and how it was mastered how it was ripped, etc. All of these things play a part in how sound is perceived. And on other variable that is very important that seems to go unnoticed here, but which is very important, especially to open phones, is the environment. Fans, AC's, computer cooling all of this can pollute the listening environment. 

 

That being said, and I intend no offense, but what you hear and what I hear is not the same. I hear differences in DACs, I hear differences in amps, etc. etc. Is this just placebo? Perhaps, but in my mind I hear it so to me it is a real difference. 

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By source material I meant the actual music: record, CD, MP3, FLAC, etc. Anything that's not in the source material can't be made up for by expensive gear.

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Originally Posted by PanamaHat View Post

In my opinion wink.gif

abx tests with different dacs in marginal price ranges kinda prove that dacs aren't such a limiting factor as long as you have something decent (I use the odac). As for amps I hear very slight differences. Over $300 most of the well-received  amps are technically adept, they just have slightly different flavors. Then there's tube rolling.

post #3713 of 17469
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Originally Posted by imackler View Post

Had to share this. My daughter loved the HD600! She thought there was plenty of bass. 

 

700

Cute! Can't wait for mine to arrive!

post #3714 of 17469

her curls are like a pair of chocolatey roses above the hd600...lovely.

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Originally Posted by mvrk10256 View Post

 

 

I have a pretty big head, so when I pull them off they get stretched a little. if I could secure a cheap broken set, I would probably build myself a custom metal headband. 

 

Unless you deliberately bend the headband it should be fine - even the plastic cover with "Sennheiser" printed on it won't just bend past its limits. Unless you wear it really, really, really tight, and it's effectively much smaller relative to your head. What you can do then if you prefer it that tight (not sure why, because the bass gets really bloated and the treble gets peaky) is to loosen them when you take it off, then just tighten them when you put them on. This is easy enough since there are tactile clicks as you pull out the ear cups to adjust.

BTW I'm 5'8" and I wear them at around nine clicks on each side. Any tighter on my worn pads and low bass gets bloated; on newer pads, I assume it accelerates wear.

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Every time I listen to my HD600's with my LD MkIII I finish with a big smile on my face. I was going to upgrade to the MkIVSE but this is so good. Hard to believe that would be significantly better, but everyone tells me it is. AT least I can honestly say I feel no urgent need to do so anytime real soon.

post #3717 of 17469

u get a fuller more energetic sound on the mk4se...if that is what u want.

i would buy one if there is an irresistible offer...if i were u.

post #3718 of 17469
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Originally Posted by imackler View Post

Had to share this. My daughter loved the HD600! She thought there was plenty of bass. 

 

700

 

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Originally Posted by blueangel2323 View Post

Cute! Can't wait for mine to arrive!

 

Congratulations!  Is the stork bringing you blue or pink headphones?

post #3719 of 17469
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Originally Posted by Byronb View Post

There is more to the chain than the electronics, there is the source then you have the material (music) itself and how it was mastered how it was ripped, etc. All of these things play a part in how sound is perceived. And on other variable that is very important that seems to go unnoticed here, but which is very important, especially to open phones, is the environment. Fans, AC's, computer cooling all of this can pollute the listening environment. 

That being said, and I intend no offense, but what you hear and what I hear is not the same. I hear differences in DACs, I hear differences in amps, etc. etc. Is this just placebo? Perhaps, but in my mind I hear it so to me it is a real difference. 

Well if the recording sucks there's no fighting it. I'm sure if I listened top 40 all the money I spent on audio gear would appear to have been wasted because those mastering engineers mix with beats headphones (joking). You could raise awareness to causes like DRD (dynamic range day) and hope to have an impact I suppose, but most modern pop is being mastered to play on those little white apple buds... Shameful.

Perhaps my brain has somehow learned to ignore minor, yet important to some, differences because I'm a student with a strict budget haha. I'd rather be happy with what I've got and not lust after more expensive gear. We've all got reservations.
post #3720 of 17469

Well I am excited, I don't remember who suggested that I try Razordog but someone here did.

I just purchased a pair of hd600's for 319  shipped. Now the long dreaded wait for ground shipping.

Now I need an amp to go with my analog tube section. Any suggestions? 

thanks

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